{"id":8630,"date":"2022-03-27T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-03-27T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/?post_type=exmediatt&p=8630"},"modified":"2026-09-27T20:20:22","modified_gmt":"2026-09-27T18:20:22","slug":"major-interview-of-volodymyr-zelenskyy-with-representatives-of-the-russian-media-27-03-2022","status":"publish","type":"exmediatt","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/en\/media-tt\/major-interview-of-volodymyr-zelenskyy-with-representatives-of-the-russian-media-27-03-2022\/","title":{"rendered":"Major interview of Volodymyr Zelenskyy with representatives of the Russian media 27.03.2022"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Let me introduce myself. My name is Mikhail Dzygor. With me are Russian independent journalists: the editor-in-chief of the TV channel "Dozhd", Tikhon Dzetko, the editor-in-chief of the publication "Meduza", Ivan Tolpakov, Vladimir Solovyov, not to be confused with his complete namesake, and the special correspondent of the newspaper "Kommersant", Vladimir Vyacheslav Vyacheslavovich.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

Solovyov. Good day.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Joining us invisibly is Nobel Prize laureate Dmitry Muratov. He was unable to connect now, but he sent us his questions. So, let's ask the questions one by one. Let's start precisely with Dmitry Muratov's question. I am reading: Dear Mr. President. I think you are aware of the joke that the letters V and Z, which are now widely used in Russia, signify your initials. In your opinion, is the "final solution to the Zelensky problem," in quotes\u2014excuse my directness\u2014one of the main goals of the attack on Ukraine?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 4<\/p>\n

One of the goals of the attack on Ukraine is elimination. Me \u2013 elimination, yes.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Sorry, I can't hear very well, it can be loud in here. I've heard many of these various thoughts regarding the fact that my elimination was planned and took place, but there were probably several attempts by different people. Can you<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

Do you mean political elimination?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes, that's not important, Serezha, I might mishear, but I understand the meaning of any word well. Regarding the elimination of one or another. I take this very calmly. Certain groups of people were sent, starting with political ones, if we are talking about my political elimination. This was the group of all the Medvedchuk-types and so on, the cronies of the current Russian head. They found political formats for elimination somehow in local elections. There was a lot of various propaganda, the weakening of local government. One of the main reasons was after my victory in the presidential elections and the party. They understood that the central government was losing the strong influence of Russian politics over Ukrainian politics. It existed and it was powerful enough. They chose another tactic, the tactic of victory in the regions. Why? Because regionally, what is happening? I don't know how it is with you completely, I don't know deeply. I think you will correct me. But what did we have? In our localities, a majoritarian system existed for a long time. And locally, as a rule, there were certain financial and political groups\u2014inveterate politicians, I would call them\u2014who influenced law enforcement agencies at the local level, politics, and yes, everything. You can win and control\u2014in the normal, democratic sense of the word\u2014control power, the central power, have certain powers that the people gave you in legitimate, fair elections, but at the local level, you may be able to solve nothing. You can carry out a reform that simply doesn't reach there. You know, such a political jam. It seems to you that you have now arrived, you have a bunch of ideas, ambitions, huge energy and fairly young people. I'm not talking about age now, but about a team of people with young and bright minds. But you cannot reach the regions, because everything is simply blocked there. Therefore, they chose such a tactic; they maintained great influence regionally. Great influence. Moreover, it is known to us how they tried to buy up franchises of other parties at the local level. There is a lot of money there, and to an unknown extent, the Russian Federation always helped this political structure through one channel or another. Then we saw the first steps in various councils, district or regional, they came out with some sort of ultimata. This is what I mean regarding political elimination. Block something here, remove representatives of the ruling party there, and so on and so forth. Introduce certain aspects somewhere, that one reform or another should not apply, since we are on the path to decentralization of power, and we will figure it out ourselves here on the spot. Such things happened from the local level; in general, this was their ideology, and from local councils to proceed further to re-elections in parliament. This was happening; they really wanted re-elections in parliament, they even united, let's say, the left with the right, with everyone possible even in the middle. They united to, well, destroy, strictly speaking, the manageability of the process. Why? Because we will now smoothly transition to speculations or the reality of physical elimination. Because when there is an unstable situation in the country, an unstable economy, everything is collapsing, chaos in the Verkhovna Rada\u2014we have democracy in Ukraine, you know this well\u2014some kind of strikes begin there, and it went from these local councils to land reforms, from land reforms to banking reforms, which is what we carried out and completed, as management of input resources; we did many things that, unfortunately, are now postponed due to the war, shelved, even on a shelf that is not visible in our, so to speak, room today, postponed a bit further, but all of this, of course, will pass. And in general, this destabilization was needed only so that, having strong regional power-based manageability, they could move towards parties splitting the mono-majority, and chaos in the country's economy and instability of the political spirit in Ukraine and in society would still lead to escalation on the part of the Russian Federation and the rule of today's president of the Russian Federation. They simply could have occupied our country much faster then; this was definitely in the plans; we have data, and not even just data from the intelligence of other countries, but primarily our own intelligence, and primarily our understanding in general of the culture and spirit, how the politics of Ukraine are viewed. The fact that, unfortunately, the independence of Ukraine is not seen\u2014this is a tragedy for us and you, I don't know if I can speak with you, probably with you, because there are two societies, first of all, these are peoples, and then the government. I believe that it is a tragedy, that this happened. That is, the lack of perception of us as an independent state, the failure to perceive this, and instead the perception of something, some kind of product and in general some part of something, some large organism, at the head of which the current president of Russia sees himself. Well, basically, we do not consider ourselves an atavism; we consider ourselves an independent state, after all, with a great, deep history, with ethics, and with morality\u2014there is nothing to say about morality and unity, I think we are showing today how it actually is. So, accordingly, I will finish this thought that I started with you; maybe it's long, but please forgive me. To the point that this destabilization did not pass, but in the plans and in the plans within our country, of those political groups I told you about, and in the plans of external groups, namely the Russian Federation, escalation was included in these plans. I don't know what was reported up there in Russia\u2014I'll be Russian, they reported\u2014meaning, I don't know what they reported up there, but I think they said, "we are waiting for you here, waiting with flowers, with smiles, the situation is very bad, the current president is not supported, the current party is not supported," I am 99.9% sure of this, I simply would not throw words around like that in this situation, but basically, and as they say, the ice has broken, gentlemen, and then, seeing that things were going slightly differently, naturally, the parallel solution, of course, was to maximally neutralize those who stabilize the situation.<\/p>\n

in power, and when there is war, but who can guarantee stability, only the president can, because of martial law, by virtue of powers, by virtue of the current legislation of independent Ukraine. That's how it is.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

Vadim Ivanovich, I would like to ask specifically about what is happening these days, about the hostilities, about the war; we see that in recent weeks one of the most terrible hotspots is Mariupol, we know that the city is almost completely destroyed, and about the humanitarian catastrophe that the population of Mariupol is experiencing; however, nevertheless, who controls the city now? Contradictory reports are coming in on this matter, can you? Yes,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

There is no contradiction, the informational chaos is understandable, all its rays are caused, the reality is such, the city is blocked by the Russian military, all entrances and exits from the city of Mariupol are blocked, then the port is mined, then there is definitely a humanitarian catastrophe, inside, in the city, because it is impossible to bring in food, medicines, food, water, medicines, the Russian military are specifically shelling, shelling humanitarian cargo, convoys, they are shelling, killing drivers, what happens to these cargoes, I cannot tell you, many of them were taken back, that is, this is our direction, Zaporizhzhia, Berdyansk, all the districts of the Zaporizhzhia region, this whole direction is difficult, there are 100-120 kilometers of the most difficult challenges, there is constant shelling, evacuation, some agreements were reached by various means, unblocking occurred during the departures of civilian transport, passenger transport, from Mariupol towards Ukraine, forced removal of people from Mariupol not in our direction, but in the, so to speak, opposite direction, the occupied one, in the direction that Russia pointed to, where Russia was taking them with its own, it is also forced, according to our data, more than 2,000 children were taken away, and this is theft, meaning, because their exact locations are unknown to us, all these children, like conquerors, such demons and just, well, in general, it is a catastrophe, I cannot convey to you how it looks at all, it is terrifying, it keeps them like souls for the exchange fund, meaning, that is, they, well, there are not enough cultured words, only emotional letters are popping out now, unfortunately, since we are being frank, I, in principle, always try to be frank, so there are our troops inside, this is regarding why there is informational chaos, because inside, meaning, where they can, that's why they entered, the Russian troops, they did not enter some part of the city because there are our guys who refused to respond to their calls, moreover, their families reached out to me, these guys, I spoke with these guys, moreover, I talk to them, a couple of times, once every two days for sure, I get in touch, I try very hard to find time for this, it is important for me, I also told them that I understand everything, guys, I understand everything, we will definitely return, but if you feel that you need to leave, and you feel that it is the right thing to do, and that you can survive, then do it, I understand how this looks for a soldier, do it. They said that, but I gave them this right of choice, they said, look, we cannot, there are wounded people here, we will not abandon the wounded, moreover, they said, we will not abandon the dead, so that you understand, corpses are lying in the city on the roads, on the sidewalks, corpses are just lying there, nobody is removing them, Russian soldiers and citizens of Ukraine, everyone, these are crowds, that is, not crowds, sorry, I cannot say that about people, a pile, a pile, a pile, a pile, I cannot find the right Russian word, I just don't know how to connect this with Russian, well,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes, you see, this looks scary, and our military are not ready to leave even the dead soldiers, to [put] them somewhere, like, excuse me, like someone… I don't want to say, to bury them, to dig them in like trash, they are not ready, and not just officers, but everyone, that's why they protect the city and protect the wounded, and protect the dead, whom they want to bury, we wanted to take them out, we [the] bodies, we asked them to let us take the bodies out, they didn't let us take out the bodies, nor the wounded, nor anyone, I don't know if they are transporting Russian soldiers, I don't know if they are taking them in the other direction, where they took our children, I don't know, this information, it's varied there, I also don't like it, because it has such a wandering character from the point of view of truth and justice, so, that's why I'm not ready to sign off on these words here, but everything else, what you heard, is the truth.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

As for the contradictory reports, including those about the number of dead, especially the different estimates from the Russian side and the Ukrainian side regarding the number of killed Russian soldiers, why are the estimates so different, what is happening to the bodies of the Russian soldiers who died, are they being taken back home, are they buried on the spot, do you have any\u2014since you have estimates\u2014lists of these dead?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Lists are being compiled, our guys compiled them, I know, they compiled lists, military guys, everyone who is in captivity, yes, everyone who is in captivity, all these lists exist, this data exists, I don't know if they interest the politicians, I think they don't interest them much, but from the point of view of their parents, of course, it's just hopeless, it's impossible to live like this, to understand the information, many parents think, I think that all the lists\u2014I'm afraid to admit it, but it seems to me that all the lists are with the Russian side, I heard that our military guys contacted them regarding the exchange, just as the Russian side contacted the Ukrainian side, and in order to even speak about any exchanges, lists are shown, and lists were shown, we roughly understand, we don't keep it a secret, in secret, who our prisoners of war are, well, there, for the most part, and that's why lists were transferred, I, my reaction, military personnel approached me, asked what my decision was, I told them that I believe that the first proposal was, let's exchange all for all, I believe that it's not necessary to act according to some generally accepted canons, like, we'll wait for the end of the war, or we need to gather a few more there, I don't understand why this is necessary, I believe that there is an agreement, we exchange all for all, there are so many today, let's exchange them for so many, it doesn't matter, not to measure, 10 for 10, 11 for 11, oh wait, we'll collect a few more, that's what they are doing now with civilians, just some kind of piggishness, well, I said that if they steal children, we will in every way, of course, well, look, it will all end with the fact that there will be no negotiations, there will be nothing, we will leave everywhere, we will not agree on anything with them, we will finish nothing, and we won't exchange anyone, because this is brutality, I saw it in the Minsk process, I called it brutality then, we agreed with Putin in 2019 that we would exchange all for all in the next two months, our meeting was in December, we had a great exchange, I think 100-110, I think, people, and there was still a list, meaning, from their side, they just couldn't give who their people are in our prisons, and so on and so forth, I, we transferred our lists, a copy was given to the OSCE, and I gave all the copies, since there were also questions about the Crimean guys, I passed them, just in case, we passed the lists to the Turks, Germans, French, Russians, passed them all specially to the OSCE, yes, and specially so that there would be no questions later, it all ended, they didn't exchange anyone for us, no "all for all" worked then, well, that's why there's such a story with exchanges now, information regarding, well, I'll finish this, my thought jumped, sorry, meaning, we have nothing to hide regarding information on the exchange fund, I don't know how public it is, I honestly haven't concerned myself with this question yet, you know, what the other side asked, we transferred the lists, God knows whether they need them, I'm just not sure that they need these lists, because as soon as some of these boys appear, there are just children, especially these 3-4 years, well, I'm generally surprised what this is,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

and for some of us, certain periods in life ended in 2003-2004, there are people born in those years, that's why I think they don't want to show what is happening with the corpses, I don't quite understand how they [handle] them, well, we there, there is a special process, how these people, we want to hand them over, we want to give them back, we don't want to keep, well, corpses, you understand this perfectly, we want them to leave, so, at first they refused, then there was something else, then they offered us some bags and that's it, listen, well, this, look, it all looks, well, I don't even know, you know, all of us probably had something in life when people passed away, not even close people, not relatives, even when, well, listen, even when a dog or a cat dies, people don't act like this, meaning, in general, it's like trash bags, I honestly don't understand what people are thinking, especially what the parents of these children are thinking, I don't understand, well, I would just, well, I would have set fire to everything I could, if I had some deputy living nearby, I'm telling you absolutely frankly, in principle, I was that kind of person even before the presidency, our people would have beaten the face of such a head of a district or something, if they brought something in a bag or didn't want to take it, or hid it, like a mother there, whoever it was, I am telling you this as the president of a warring country with Russian soldiers who came here, and we hate them, what they are doing, but I will listen, well, there is, as it were, hatred in war, but they are not livestock, they are not livestock, and therefore all of this [affects] me very [much], of course, why it is all scary, I will tell you, because it's scary, and it's scary because when the attitude toward one's own is like this, then what is the attitude toward all others, and we are certainly not "their own" for the government of Russia, that is scary, I believe that this is savagery, and it all, all of this will end badly, for Ukraine we understand in whose name, but what, what for you, for you, I don't want to offend you, forgive me if I say, for you, I just don't know how else to say it, I'm saying it as it is, what is happening in your country in Russia, for me it is, in general, an incomprehensible, incomprehensible whole story, a tragedy, a tragedy, yes, and which affects us, that is why I am so concerned, and there are very many of these children, I don't know, either they took an oath there, or a promise, many of these children who didn't know where they were going, well, of course, many say stupid things and lie, there, at first, yes, out of fear, they don't know what will happen to them, and then, when they see that the attitude toward them is normal, as far as possible, normal, because war can be different, then many are shocked, all their phone calls, with their parents and so on, "take us away," and how they abandon tanks, and a huge number of intercepts, just a huge number of calls where they say, like, so and so, "I shot myself in the leg today," and some Pasha there broke his [leg], and this, in general, well, look, a column of 200 tanks is moving, ours blew up 30, that's it, consider the column gone, 70 tanks are fleeing, they are not warriors, they were forced, sent to the slaughter, and that's it, that's how it is, but, unfortunately, let's return to what consequences, results for us, and the results of Mariupol\u2014it's gone, just gone, Volnovakha is simply gone, cities near Kyiv, Kyiv region, our small towns which, well, as I thought, just like with you, near capital cities, these are usually small towns, but usually, everyone lives there, country houses, and the local population lives like that, and the houses, and so on, this no longer exists, scorched earth, just scorched earth, absolutely, it looks, well, I think you've seen some photos, but you haven't seen everything, we can't even show everything, it's impossible to show, because it's impossible to even show our population what it looks like, just no houses, there's simply nothing in Volnovakha, nothing at all, no houses, nothing, Mariupol, because it's a large city with a population of half a million. Can you imagine, a city of half a million people, 90% of the buildings are hit. They are gone. Well, how\u2014they are burned or not. But there are at least high-rises, and you can imagine what happened here. But in cities like Volnovakha and so on, there is simply nothing there, absolutely. That is the attitude. That is, they go and burn, just burn everything. I don't even know who the Russian army has ever treated like this. I haven't seen it. Maybe I was just a very young man then, and I don't remember all the footage of the war in Chechnya so deeply. It was scary there, but there, well excuse me, but these volumes simply cannot be compared. As of today, as of today, there were two wars there. They cannot be compared. Moreover, I tell you, it is impossible to compare the volume of what happened over 8 years and over 4 weeks. It is impossible to compare. What they talked about in Donbas, from our side or in the temporarily occupied territories, is nothing, just so you understand, compared to what is happening to us here now. Simply nothing. Just for some reason, for some reason, 6 missiles hit Lviv yesterday, 6 cruise missiles. For some reason, some militarized thing or other, they were looking for something like that, so those 6 hit. What is being done? They are hitting various oil depots, oil bases. They understand perfectly well that it is now the sowing season. What does this have to do with anything, even if they were talking about some militarized stories and actions. What does this have to do with the sowing season? Ukraine feeds part of Europe, part of the Arab world. What? You have good relations with the Arabs. Not the Russian Federation itself. Neither the Turks nor anyone else. Sunflower oil, grain. There is nothing. Moreover, one cannot even say why this is true. Because they didn't let the grain shipments out. They simply didn't let them out. For all those countries. They didn't let them out.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

Vadim Aleksandrovich,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

sorry, we<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

you<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

We'll interrupt. I was always interrupted. That's true.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

We understand, yes. That is how we will proceed. Mr. President, how has your personal attitude toward Russians changed since February 24, 2022? Do you still have people in Russia whose opinion remains significant to you? And the most difficult question. Do you think that Ukrainians or Russians will ever be able to normalize their relationship?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

So, first. Despite the fact that I am president and should be a sufficiently pragmatic person. The attitude after the 24th worsened. It worsened very significantly. The emotional component is lost… Lost… Toward the Russian Federation. Toward the people. Even toward the people. Despite the fact that I understand intellectually that there are many people who support Ukraine. I am grateful to them, because without word-of-mouth, without the work of honest journalism, without the internal potential of the Russian person who is for justice and for Ukraine\u2014and let him be primarily for himself. That means he will be for Ukraine in this situation. Because war on our territory will bring nothing good to this Russian person. If he realizes this, of course. The attitude has worsened across the entire population. There is an irreversibility. I will tell you how it is there. You will probably understand now.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

In 2014, when it all began, the Russian-speaking districts, let's say, the districts of Ukraine, or Russian-speaking families, if you prefer, all felt hope that it would end right now. That it would end now, that many things happened, there was a misunderstanding, and for long years, it grew, and so on. Some of these families believed that everything was still possible, that something could be done somehow. Exactly as I am telling you. Just like that, something somehow. Without specifics, because of the war. And there was a definite understanding that something needed to be done somehow. I had an understanding when I ran for president, because I understood that everything must be done to stop the war. Absolutely. And one must fight propaganda by one's own example; you must show that you want to change the country, change relations with neighbors, return everything, so to speak, in a certain sense, return everything back, in some senses, to before the year '14, find common ground, sit down at the negotiating table. Today, over this month, a global, historical, cultural rift has occurred. Global. Yes, not just a war. I believe that everything is much worse. Some people remained in Russia. First, you and I are talking. Second, there are people who have left Russia. I am not saying that I support their departure. This was their own internal decision. There are people of culture, people of the arts, with whom one can find this or that argument. Let's say, they will find them themselves. They are the reading percentage of the nation who will figure it out. But there is a deep disappointment in the fact that a high percentage of the population in Russia supports it for various reasons. I don't even want to say that it's informational brainwashing. On one hand, yes. On the other hand, propaganda. But that is also an excuse. Let's be honest. That is an excuse. One cannot simply not notice a war for so many years. One could say, yes, a week. They told us one thing, and another happened. This isn't even September 11th in the States. A tragedy that everyone saw. No. Nor the apartment bombings in Moscow that you remember. And so on. That's not how it is. This isn't one step. This is 8 years, damn it. That's a long time. In 8 years, people finish their school education. One can grow up, get an education. One can master a subject. One can become a professional in any field. I would have simply gone into journalism. I would have become an investigator. I would have found it myself. I would have dug. If I really wanted to understand what to do about it. But if I don't want to, then I don't want to. It's easier for me to support the current regime. And I believe that this is the most terrible thing, the disappointment that has occurred. Disappointment that has turned into hatred between peoples. I have no answer as to how this can be reversed. I have no answer as to whether this will ever return at all. I am no prophet. And this will be decided precisely by those people who… Look, I'll tell you this. A few more months, I'll tell you honestly, everyone in the family will have a loss. One way or another, expelled, wounded. A child. Something happened. A person moved. Left for Poland. Left for Bulgaria. Didn't find a job. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Got scared. A child started stuttering. God knows. Everyone will have some sorrow in the family. Of course, not World War II. Of course, not years of occupation. But we aren't finished yet. That's why the technologies are different. But the occupation is happening more harshly. Because it's more intensive. Do you understand? Because the occupation is happening… I don't even want to compare it with fascism. I don't want to compare. But we understand how occupations differed. See for yourselves… You are deep, educated people. You know how it happened in different wars, in different periods of occupation in this or that. It wasn't profitable to wipe cities off the face of the earth. Because when you occupy, you want someone to live and work there. They will wash your underwear. You are a military man, a soldier. Someone has to do that. Wash, clean, cook, eat. Cinemas operated in France. Here it is not like that. Not like that at all. Here they come in. If the local authority or someone doesn't want to… The local authority was stolen. People start shouting something there. Everything is burned out.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Vladimir Alexandrovich, I would like a short clarification, literally on a "yes" or "no" level. Do you support the boycott of Russia, Russian artists, musicians, athletes? Because we have all heard recently about what happened to Sergei Loznitsa, who spoke out against the boycott and was expelled from the Ukrainian Film Academy. What do you think? Is it necessary to boycott?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

I believe that boycotting, for example, Loznica is wrong. I believe that Loznica is an artist, from what I've heard, though I may not know everything. I don't even know all the reasons why the organization excluded him from somewhere. I believe there was some kind of mistake there, it seems to me. I don't know. I'm definitely not deep into the matter. But he is an artist who holds a pro-Ukrainian position, from what I've heard, a fair position. Pro-Ukrainian does not mean conveying one's position in the Ukrainian language. You have to understand that he… Well, we don't even have such a thing. It's some kind of information bubble that citizens live in. Therefore, I mean, Russian citizens are told [things] about some language or other. I speak with you calmly, and when someone switches and speaks Russian with me, in Ukraine, I switch to the Russian language. I am the president. I believe that the president\u2014the way he behaves\u2014can be understood: if the people support him, well, then the people support it. They take it calmly. But hatred for everything Russian will grow. Definitely. I'll say this, sorry, instead of yes or no I'm taking a bit longer, because sometimes my thoughts drift. It's that kind of day today, I'm a bit scattered. Didn't sleep. It's okay. So, as for Loznica, I've answered, I wanted to tell you something. Regarding the language. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has done the most harm to the Russian language.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

I believe it is irreparable damage.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Of course, people will be ashamed outside of Russia, speaking in certain societies, sometimes in Russian. That is how it will be. This happened after one war or another, the result of which was that a specific aggressor was recognized in the world. Therefore, he made this irreparable, but certainly for many years. All the people who, when we speak\u2014these, I dropped this thought and started\u2014these cities, as I told you, Russian-speaking families, and even if you saw some thread, you will realize that the erasing from the face of the earth, specifically these cities, specifically these families, they fled twice. Look, in 2014, when all this began, the country moved to Mariupol, first of all, it moved Donetsk State University and so on, higher education institutions were moved, various educational colleges, schools were moved, sports sections were moved, people moved. Where? People believed, as I told you, that it would end any moment and we would return. People were in various small towns close to those temporarily occupied. Imagine that they have had two emigrations, which ended in death, now they are blocked there, whoever is not among theirs? So tell me, how can one relate to history associated with Russian culture or with Russians, or in principle with Russians? This is a very complex question. Therefore, I fear that this is for the long haul.<\/p>\n

And as for, I would say, whether to boycott athletes or not, right? Look, I believe that you cannot feel this pain that we are in. But you should at least know, at least know and feel some kind of discomfort yourself, then you will be able to understand that you are not like everyone else, but that your government has made you an outcast. And therefore, the international boycotting of certain Russian athletes, who have no relation to politics, is the correct decision because, unfortunately, they do have a relation. They may not even feel it fully there, but they must understand that they are a tool for the country's international image. And if isolation occurs\u2014cultural, sporting, one or another isolation\u2014then for those who remain there, I mean, of course, not those citizens who left\u2014cultural figures, directors, journalists, or athletes who left, moved to another country to live, and so on. And no one… Naturally, it is their right. It is their right. Let them live, work, develop, and so on. It is their right.<\/p>\n

But to say that they are all completely innocent is also unfair, because if a person [did not use] their voice anywhere, just once, just one post on social media, just once went out to the square\u2014you don't have to set someone's car on fire, you don't have to shoot anyone, you don't have to coerce\u2014if you haven't killed your own tsar, then you are not our friend, no, just to support, just to say that I cannot go on like this, I don't want this, I want my voice to be heard, and even if only one person heard me, it will still be plus one, not minus. And phrases like "we won't be heard anyway," "it won't help us," this doesn't work, it is unfair. Therefore, boycotting is specifically so that it is understood that when people die there, you should at least feel uncomfortable.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

Mr. President, from the humanitarian aspect, this very important component, I would like to move on to the diplomatic one, which seems to me no less important, because negotiations are ongoing, they began quite quickly, but we learn about significant progress, or any progress at all, for example, from a statement by Turkish President Erdogan, who said that he spoke, firstly, about the fact that six points are being discussed in these Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, and secondly, that there is progress on four of them; these are the points concerning Ukraine's non-accession to NATO, demilitarization, security guarantees, and the protection of the Russian language, but as for the status of Donbas and the status of Crimea, there is no progress yet. Can you explain what is actually moving and where, and then, if I may, further explain your idea regarding a referendum, because it is not very clear how a warring country, or one that has just come out of a war, can hold a referendum in the event that some compromises are reached? Thank you.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

First, regarding the points, why is the rhetoric built on six points? Because, first of all, the ultimatum\u2014namely, the first paper was an ultimatum from the Russian Federation; I wouldn't even call it a paper ultimatum, it was a public ultimatum, as far as I know. Somewhere, as usual, it leaked into the information field; in general, those were the points you mentioned. They were roughly the same points; there, however, was also the phrase demilitarization, denazification, a lot of things related to 'D'. I saw nothing in this other than an injection, just to slightly liven up the information field, so that Russia is doing something and setting the agenda; I saw nothing else in this. Another information bullet\u2014we got used to this during the Minsk negotiations\u2014they always sent some format or another when they were stalling the process. This indicated that they were stalling the process because they wanted to occupy us within a short time; they immediately showed that we will do this now\u2014you know that we found the dress uniforms of the military, I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but it's a bit funny how they prepared, funny if it weren't so tragic, for a parade on the Maidan of Independence, in general, to go through with tanks on the third or fourth day. These are splashes; the reaction of Turkey is somewhat incorrect, and we spoke about this with President Radagan, and there are, so to speak, subtleties in the translation of his statement, but also subtleties in the rhetoric.<\/p>\n

First, look, denazification, demilitarization\u2014we are not discussing this at all; I said that our group will not sit at the table at all if we are going to talk about some demilitarization, some denazification; for me, this is an absolutely incomprehensible thing. We are not discussing it at all. The Russian side set this at the first meeting in Belarus, which I agreed our group should attend, because I have long said that we need to talk even before the war, but I am not against these talks, as long as there is a result. The Russian side feels victory in the fact that this meeting took place, that it adds some agency to Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko; well, for God's sake, if we can end the war, if Alexander Grigoryevich will feel from this that he is again the master of the house, well, for God's sake. To be honest, I don't care. That is entirely the choice of the Belarusians, and certainly not ours. Therefore, I agreed if they have a substantive meeting. The meeting happened; I would not call it substantive. Our sides said that the phrases denazification, demilitarization, cannot be there; we are not interested in these points at all.<\/p>\n

Regarding the points on the protection of the Russian language, they presented arguments\u2014did they convey all my arguments? I said that every subsequent day of the war will call into question the very understanding of what the Russian language even is. People themselves will not want this. People will not want it. People will not want to read, watch movies, or speak. I am simply telling you what this causes. Even something that some may have liked when there was a lot of it, it even retreats. I believe there is too much of it, and moreover, through blood. This is how they conveyed love for the language to us. Therefore, this is a very serious point. This is regarding the Russian language.<\/p>\n

Therefore, my opinion was as follows: I wanted to cut off this constant argumentation altogether regarding what, what, what language, what. Everyone speaks as they want, in any language. We have more than a hundred nationalities living in the country. Therefore, we said: only mirror respect. An agreement on mirror respect for history, for languages, for cultural values with all neighbors. This I accept. This I accept. I am sure that our people will accept this if they wish. Because all of this will still, one way or another, be voted on by elected representatives.<\/p>\n

What does this mean? Stop playing games, just as the Hungarians play with this a bit less. And Russia more. Stop playing games regarding some closures of schools in Ukraine. Do you want a Russian school? Someone wants to speak there in Russian, to study, a private one\u2014please, open it under certain conditions. You open for us, we open for you. We publish something there, then we publish here. Whatever attitude you want toward the Russian language\u2014it is your language, the state language of the Russian Federation. Everything must be fair. Respect our language, the state Ukrainian language. And that's it. There is no need to say that it is a non-language or something else. That it is the language of people who are illiterate. I am ready to argue with those who say this. With any Russian politician, in principle. To talk about the quantity, to read the literature and so on. Personally. Tet-a-tet. To communicate, moreover, in the Russian language. And then try to talk to him in Ukrainian as well.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

You have now, I beg your pardon, simply swept off the table at least three points, as I understand it, from among those that were mentioned as being subject to negotiations. Demilitarization is not being discussed. Denazification, whatever that may mean, is not being discussed. The Russian language is not being discussed. So what, then, is being discussed there?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

The Russian language is being discussed, as I told you. Respect for the languages of neighboring peoples. I am interested in such an agreement. I want to sign it. I want to sign it with all neighboring countries. I am interested in Russia, Hungary, Poland. We have many different historical issues. Romania and so on. We have many different issues. We have many national minorities. And this agreement will be sufficient for the respect of certain languages within our country. External connections. Therefore, the issue of language, I am sure, will be removed from the agenda because it will be resolved by such an agreement.<\/p>\n

The fourth story. This is the security guarantee and neutrality. The non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to accept it. This is the most important point. This was the first fundamental point for the Russian Federation, as far as I remember. And as far as I recall, that is why they started the war. Later, they started adding points to the ultimatums. And overall they said that NATO is expanding. And there was non-alignment. That, strictly speaking, non-alignment was in the Constitution of Ukraine. And then you, so to speak, decided to go somewhere. We do not agree with where you are going. And this is outside of our agreements with the West, which are already so many years old. And therefore, this question is the main one. Because of this, we are protecting our security, the Russian Federation said. The government. Therefore, this point, the point of security guarantees for Ukraine, and since they say, it is for them and for them too. It is clear to me. I am discussing it. It has been thoroughly worked through. But what interests me there is that it shouldn't be, you know, just another piece of paper like the Budapest Memorandum and so on. Therefore, we are interested in this paper, that this paper turns into a serious treaty, which will be signed\u2014I will now move on to the referendum\u2014which will be signed where the security guarantee points are signed by all guarantors of this security. It must be ratified in the parliaments of the guarantor countries, that's two, and there must definitely be a referendum in Ukraine. <\/p>\n

Why? Because we have a law on referendums; we passed it. Changing one status or another, regarding the security guarantor, implies a neutral status, and this is a constitutional change. You understand, right? This is a constitutional change. That's two sessions. I'm just saying, look, when our guys from our group met with the Russian group, they weren't deep into the material at all. I'll tell you, to put it mildly, they weren't deep. What are two sessions? The constitution cannot be changed in any other way. Two sessions is a year. Imagine how long all this could take? I'm not talking about the referendum here, I'm talking about constitutional changes in general. A referendum is a faster step than constitutional changes. That's what I'm talking about. That is, they need, the Russian country needs guarantees that this will happen. Therefore, therefore a referendum, because only the people can decide that there will be such a status and such guarantors. The referendum will take place within a few months. And changes to the constitution will take at least a year. According to our current legislation. At least a year. <\/p>\n

Therefore, and the referendum… Excuse me, will the refugees who left Ukraine also participate in the referendum? Of course. Of course. In all our elections, by the way, in all these overseas polling stations and actions.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 4<\/p>\n

Foreign plots.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Precincts, yes? Precincts, polling stations. Everything works for us. And all of this was there during the elections, presidential elections, parliamentary ones, everything works everywhere. I see no problems with that. But the thing is, up to this point, you will see our people return. Currently, 90% of our population wants to return on the first day the shooting stops. 90% of the population. Because for the most part, the men didn't leave anywhere at all. The women and children left. Of course, everyone wants to. This is a temporary story. Therefore, we must have agreements with President Putin. The guarantors will not sign anything if troops are stationed there. Why? I believe that the war can be ended quickly, and only Putin and his circle are dragging it out. Because no guarantor. Which one? Johnson? Biden? Who will sit down? Duda? Who will sit down? Tur? Is it Terdagan? Who will sit down to talk about something if troops are stationed there? Who will sign something? Nothing will happen. It's impossible. Therefore, there is no need to wait for changes in the law. When the Russian side said, first let's change the law, then we'll withdraw the tanks, I don't want to say, let's say, those who do not deeply understand political processes from a legal standpoint. Therefore, we reached an agreement with the President of the Russian Federation. And to reach an agreement, he needs to leave on his own two feet from wherever he is and come to a meeting with me, and I said, any point in the world, except, I believe, pointless meetings in Belarus, in Russia, in Ukraine. Today, meetings of our delegations are also pointless\u2014I emphasize this again\u2014they are more political, pointless. These are three conflicting countries as of today. One way or another. So, we met, we reached an agreement. That is enough. An agreement between us with signatures, seals, or even blood. And that is enough to begin the process of troop withdrawal. The troops must be withdrawn, the guarantors will sign everything, and that's it, everything will work further. Then ratification in parliaments, a referendum for a few months, and then changes to the Constitution.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

But a referendum implies not only a "Yes" answer, but also a "No". If at the referendum the people of Ukraine say, "We do not want to change our status, we do not want a neutral status," then what happens?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

A referendum is impossible when there is a troop presence. From the perspective of the Convention, no one will ever count the results of this referendum if troops, illegal armed formations, or legal formations of another state are on the country's territory without any legal foundation. This is impossible. This is what happened in Crimea. What kind of referendum is this? This can only be in our… You know who it might be interesting for? It's for us. Let's hold a referendum that no one will recognize later. Why? There were troops. This is an illegitimate process. It is very difficult for me to convey… Again, the guys started talking with political groups. I was simply passing this to our group. The Russian side needs to start bringing in lawyers. At least people who have a legal education, not only military personnel and so on and so forth. Then everyone will understand.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

I apologize. Forgive me. I want to approach this from a slightly different angle, also regarding the topic of negotiations. Look…<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes, and Donbas, sorry, I want to finish. And therefore the issue of Donbas, what you asked about, Vladimir, I believe, yes? Yes, he asked a question. Therefore, security guarantees, meaning neutral status, therefore mutual respect, where the issue of languages is raised\u2014and not only languages, but cultures, traditions, and so on. They are also raising the issue of respect for churches there, although we, as a state, should not get involved in that. Then the issues of Donbas and Crimea, of course, must definitely be discussed and resolved. Of course, that's why I didn't brush aside all the points.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

Yes, allow me one more question about the negotiations. Recently, the Wall Street Journal wrote that you allegedly asked President Biden not to impose sanctions against Russian businessman Roman Abramovich. At the same time, various sources of ours say that some parallel contacts are being established between Ukraine and Russia. Allegedly, people close to Russian President Boris Yeltsin are participating in the negotiations. Allegedly, various cultural figures from the Ukrainian side are participating in the negotiations. I hear the name of Alexander Rodnyansky, a director. Please tell me, are there any parallel negotiations? Are there any other contacts besides those negotiations we have just discussed?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Let me put it this way: first of all, there is a huge number of various contacts. You just have to understand. And everything you are talking about, to some extent, is, to some extent, valid and exists and is already in effect. I am not sure that these are some kind of official negotiations, because as soon as the war began, many people wanted to help somehow. And you are talking about Alexander Efimovich Rodnyansky. I know he has contacts, he had them with our guys, and other cultural figures did as well. And just as sanctions began to be introduced\u2014even now you mention one big businessman from the Russian Federation, or rather, formerly from Russia, and now he lives or lived in other countries. I'll tell you, all these people, fearing sanctions, wanted to [help] due to the conviction that there is no great patriotism in this. Well, I'm not sure, let's say, it seems to me. Well, and because of the obvious comforts they had and which they will leave and have already left. And there will be no great opening ahead. Of course, all of them are looking for a way out. But I'll tell you that all these years, both the Ukrainian and Russian sides\u2014especially business, journalism, and cultural figures\u2014have all been looking for various ways out the whole time. It was unrealistic to get through to the Russian government. Someone manages to get through somehow. Regarding my discussion with Biden, well, for various reasons, I am not ready to discuss some of our private conversations right now. And from the perspective of what I know, this businessman was in a subgroup from the Russian side. I don't know if he was there officially or unofficially. At first, they even contacted each other somewhere. And he really, as far as I know, really helped with a humanitarian issue, with the issue of evacuating people via a humanitarian convoy from Mariupol. Everyone tried with Mariupol, and he in particular did too, I know, but nothing came of it. As I told you, the humanitarian convoys were shot. But the fact is that signals came from him and some other businessmen, like "let's help somehow," "let's do something." Some reached out saying they were even ready to help there. "Let's rebuild\u2014how will it be? Let's rebuild Ukraine after the war. We are ready to give money. We are ready to move business to Ukraine. We now live in England or somewhere, in Switzerland. We want\u2014is it possible to do it so that we receive all these signals somehow bypassing some general sanctions list." But we began receiving them back when our internal sanctions were in effect, not only Western sanctions. Some people do not want to give their last names; they say they want to help your army in general. They also are citizens of the Russian Federation. Well, I believe that I am telling you honestly.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

Does your office coordinate these negotiations? Do they somehow end up with you anyway, or what?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Look,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I am receiving signals,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

but I wouldn't say that our office coordinates them. I wouldn't say that. They come from everywhere, these signals. They come either from various communities, Jewish, Muslim, and so on. Some signals come through the churches as well. I'll tell you honestly. There are signals that come to our office too. People met with our negotiating group in Belarus. There are some from them inside there. But these, look, their source, there are many of them. Therefore, my attitude toward this is very simple. Quite simple. Any person who is ready today, any Russian businessman, of whatever caliber, it doesn't matter what, who is ready to give money to support the Ukrainian army, we are ready to ensure his safety, and then ensure all possible work, the development of his business. Everyone who supports us today, everyone who fights for their country, we definitely no one<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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no…<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

Is exemption from sanctions being discussed?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

No. Look, I am discussing what I, as the guarantor of the constitution, am capable of doing, am able to and can. I am speaking specifically about sanctions within our state\u2014that can be discussed. We can talk about a person changing citizenship, it can be discussed. A person who wants an economic residence permit, their vision of life, to develop a business after the war ends, all of this can be discussed, but if he today\u2014he, she, they\u2014if they are ready to help today, it doesn't necessarily have to be done publicly; I understand, a person is afraid of what will happen to their family and so on, not necessarily publicly. For such people, I don't care what nationality the person is; what matters is who they are inside. That's all.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

Yes, our time is rapidly running out, I would like to manage to ask a few more questions. About other negotiations. Yesterday, there was a meeting in Warsaw between the ministers of defense and foreign affairs of Ukraine and Mr. Biden, the President of the United States. Two questions. First, are there any concrete results of this meeting, beyond political support? I am speaking, primarily, about arms deliveries. And the second question, the President of Poland, Mr. Duda, spoke in favor of deploying NATO peacekeepers on the territory of Ukraine. Washington, as we understand it, is against any of its own military presence on the territory of Ukraine. Is Biden's position regarding NATO peacekeepers in Ukraine known? How realistic does this seem to you in general?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

I wouldn't tell you, because I have a definite position on this overall issue. I proposed certain things from the very beginning, understanding the risks just as the invasion had only just begun from the start. And when there were risks associated with our nuclear power plants, with other enterprises that are of strategic importance, we proposed in one way or another to invite the presence of certain peacekeeping forces there. But we didn't wait for it. For now, that's how it is. This whole idea of Poland introducing peacekeeping forces into the territory of Ukraine\u2014I do not yet fully understand this proposal. We do not need a frozen conflict on the territory of our state. Therefore, in principle, I explained this during our meeting with Polish colleagues. I know that they continued their rhetoric. Fortunately or unfortunately, for now, this is our country, our citizens, and I am the president, so we will decide whether there will be certain forces here or not. As for the meeting of the ministers of defense and ministers of foreign affairs with Secretary of State Blinken, the number one issue, of course, was weaponry. I am not ready to discuss the details. We insistently explained our position. The issue, in principle, is quite clear. You know the issue regarding control of the skies. I speak about this publicly and openly.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

depends on the decision of these two countries. Therefore, there was a meeting with the United States of America in Poland. That's all. And this question. I am not ready to give the answer, as I am already alternating for you.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

Mr. President, I would like to ask you to comment on the documents released by the Russian Ministry of Defense. The documents are dated January 22 and signed by Nikolai Balan. According to them, as the Russian side stated, it follows that the armed forces of Ukraine planned a preemptive strike, planned to be the first to attack Donbas. Please explain, what are these documents? Is it some kind of fake?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

document. Of course, there were no plans. I have been saying this since 2019, again, both to President Putin and then through all those various channels you mentioned today, and other channels; I conveyed that we did not intend to retake our territories by military means. I want to reach an agreement with you. Moreover, I want to find a format to exist in for some time. I wanted to maintain some kind of relationship between Ukraine and Russia until this invasion. That is why I looked for various options. Believe me. Just now, if you name a country\u2014whether I had negotiations with them, whether I prepared papers for the Russian Federation for whatever you name\u2014believe me, there aren't ten countries with which I didn't conduct negotiations and didn't try to arrange some kind of meeting, some kind of format with the President of the Russian Federation. Despite the fact that some people told me, "yes, it's humiliating, you can't keep talking about this meeting." For me, it wasn't humiliating, because I knew how it would all end, and we have come to this. And I want to speak, then, about this fakeness. About Balan. Documents\u2014they don't exist? I don't know what these documents are; it's difficult for me to even say. If I had seen them, I would have answered you. The fakeness of all documents that speak of an attack on Donbas is 100%. And in general, this is the National Guard, right? You mean the former head of the National Guard? Former leader Makola Balana. That would never happen in a million years. A forceful path into Donbas would never happen. It doesn't even have the authority for that. The National Guard. The National Guard, which is part of\u2014as you understand\u2014the Ministry of Internal Affairs. One must understand that the National Guard is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The signature should have been that of the Minister of Internal Affairs. And what does the Minister of Internal Affairs have to do with offensive positions? Nonsense. That's one thing. Second. Recently there was another document, this one I've already seen. It was shown exactly as you said at the beginning, like Solovyov, but not that one. Like this one, not that one, demonstrated\u2014I was shown a document with my order for the seizure of Crimea. I don't know if you've seen this order or<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Haven't you seen?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

No, we don't<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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saw.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

It is shown everywhere. Documents that were found were shown on TV. There are documents there. There is also a warrant, which<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

it was supposed<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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to pass off as capture<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Crimea.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

I want you to pay attention to one thing. I am, of course, Vladimir Alexandrovich, but since everything there is written in Ukrainian, in the Ukrainian language, notice that my signature is written everywhere as V.A. Zelenskyy. Simply, A does not exist. With all due respect, everything there is in Ukrainian, I am V.O. V.O. Yes, V.A. does not exist. Therefore, these things, there are many of them. And here is how this document was on… and so on. And there are many of these things.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Vladimir Alexandrovich, I would like to clarify one more point then. Do you remember everything?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 4<\/p>\n

In 12 seconds. In 12 seconds. Well, threes. Ten minutes, yes.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

Yes. I would like to clarify the story about the Russian warship. We all remember, in the first days of the war, a very powerful story. You posthumously, it seems, decorated those Ukrainian military personnel who were on Zmiinyi Island. And then information appeared that they all survived. Tell us what actually happened. Are they alive or not? Some died.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Some were taken prisoner. That's all. Those who were taken prisoner, they were exchanged. An exchange took place for military personnel of the Russian Federation. Russia came forward with this proposal. We exchanged them without hesitation. That's it. Those who died, died; they are, strictly speaking, heroes to us. And those who survived, guys, we exchanged. We did two exchanges.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

I would then like to bring up one more point that is being actively raised by Russian officials and raised by Russian TV presenters. And the Daily Mail newspaper wrote about this as well, if I'm not mistaken. Volodya\u2014Volodya will correct me if I'm mistaken with the reference. Regarding the biolabs, which is what is constantly being heard in the rhetoric of the Russian authorities. Can you explain?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes, it's a joke. There is nothing to explain. Well, we don't have any. We gladly [do so]. We have no nuclear weapons, no chemical biolaboratories, and no chemical weapons. We don't have them. They do not exist for us. If there had probably been a person like me back in the times when our state was signing the surrender of our interests\u2014I call it nothing else, drawing conclusions today\u2014I wouldn't have given it all away like that. Just as I wouldn't have given away this story related to\u2014here is the fleet for you, live here, here, distribute Russian passports in Crimea, and so on. We should have just acted honestly back then. To say that we have many Russians here. That here, meaning in Sevastopol, our sailors live. And despite the fact that this is your independent land, let's make a decision that there will be both Ukrainians and Russians here, and we will act honestly. They quietly sailed in, distributed this fleet\u2014which, meaning, our flags, they were bought by Russian, meaning, these officials and so on. It's unclear what happened. And the Ukrainian government turned a blind eye to this\u2014absolutely boorish and a betrayal. It was betrayal; that is, it was the theft of territory by Russia and absolute betrayal by Ukraine. That's what it was in those 90s regarding Crimea and regarding the entire independent territory. Therefore, just as with these laboratories, look, we generally don't [harm] anyone, to be honest, you know what kind of people we are. I'm sure, you've all been here. How could we have poisoned anyone with some kind of chemistry at all? We would never have done that to enemies. The philosophy of nuclear disarmament is a correct philosophy, a right one, and so on. But one cannot build one's empire at the expense of the weakness of others. It is simply impossible, because an empire is built on economics, not on intimidation.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

Allow me to ask you one more question. Please. How would you currently formulate Ukraine's military goal? How do you envision, if you envision it, a military victory?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes. Minimize the number of casualties as much as possible, shorten the duration of this war, withdraw the troops of the Russian Federation to compromise territories, which is everything as it was before the 24th, before the attack. Let them return there. I understand that it is impossible to completely liberate the territory, to force Russia. This would lead to World War III. I understand everything perfectly and am fully aware of it. Therefore I am saying, this is a compromise, yes, a compromise. Return there. Everything, everything started, and there we will try to resolve the issue of Donbas. The complex issue of Donbas. Now for me, look, I am not 70 years old, see, I mean, you will understand what I mean. I am not 70 years old. I definitely have time. But I am not here for long, because again I say, I am not 70 years old. And after me, a worthy person will come. I want to end this war. I do not want us to have hundreds of thousands of dead. I do not want that. And that is why I did not consider a forceful attack either on Donbas or in Crimea, because I deeply understand how many thousands of our people would have perished. And what the price of these territories would be, even if they were recaptured. No one knows. Now the Russians have entered with their power and entirely, about 20 thousand dead, with all their power. And they, excuse me, did not enter inside Kyiv. Into inside Kyiv? So far, yes. You are right. So far they have not entered. But you must understand that they are unlikely to enter. But if they enter, you must definitely understand that they would then need to have 1100. It is impossible to handle such a city in any other way, simply with such a population. Do you understand, yes? That is to say, in Kyiv, the living population that has not left is 3 million, do you realize what that is? It is simply a huge number of people.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

Mr. President, mine was not about that yet, not about Kyiv. I wanted to say that while we are speaking, news has arrived that the head of the Lugansk People's Republic stated that he intends to hold a referendum on joining, on entering the composition of Russia. I assume that soon, probably, the authorities of the DPR will follow this example. And what solution, question, and discussion of the Donbas issue can there be then?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Look, how should I put it, you and I live in a certain space, we try to live by legitimacy, am I right? When someone says something, it is necessary that this someone represents something, or represents this or that territory at a legal level, and law in the understanding of international institutions, and not in separate occupied parts. Therefore, whatever whoever declares there, it is as if it is the right of every person, if they are indeed people. It doesn't matter. We heard a signal from these comrades, "athletes." We called them that in the 90s, when I was at university, that is why these people were called athletes. These are not the ones [who win] medals, but they just behave as if they were great. These are those kinds of athletes in sweatpants, and then they put on suits and became who they became. That is why he remained in sweatpants under that suit. And in sweatpants, and in striped undershirts. Therefore, I do not know what they represent there and what they declare there; I certainly agree with your rhetoric regarding the fact that other offices of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine will follow him. But for me, this is such, in general, as I told you, the village of President Putin. I will probably speak about this with the owner of these people, rather than with the comrade,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

if you don't mind. Vladimir Alexandrovich, representatives of your office said that over the last few weeks you have survived more than ten attempted lethal bites.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 4<\/p>\n

You<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 2<\/p>\n

experienced more than a dozen bite attempts. Can you tell me about this in more detail? What was it, where, when, how?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Nothing to say, really. Our security handles these matters and the removal of problematic elements who come here to hunt. That's it. There is nothing more to say.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 1<\/p>\n

I think, since we are running out of time, perhaps you have some message for those citizens of Russia or those Russian people who will be watching on various channels, on various platforms, listening to these conversations? What would you say to them now?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

I think the important thing is that everyone should once again understand that, despite everything, we know that in Russia or among citizens of the Russian Federation who have left the country forever or temporarily\u2014it doesn't matter\u2014there is certainly a large percentage of people who support the truth. I will not even force them to say that they support Ukraine, that they support the truth, because it is important to figure out the truth for oneself, to dot all the i's. Of course, there is a large percentage of people who support the policy of the current president of the Russian Federation. I simply want all these sides to analyze more; those sides that support the truth and Ukraine should reach out to their neighbors, relatives, and loved ones, because without this, it is impossible to break through this information curtain\u2014which used to be the Iron Curtain, but now it is an information curtain\u2014it is impossible to tear it down without journalists, people of culture, people of the arts, writers, all kinds of actors\u2014by all kinds, I mean people of different professions\u2014teachers who can give knowledge to children; I know I am taking a risk, I know, I understand, but nevertheless, without this, nothing will be able to end. This war will not end, because the war will not end just because we finish military actions to defend our country and Russia finishes military actions on our land; the war will not end with that, you understand, right? That is, the fences over which grenades fly do not signal that the war is ending; something will end, there will come such a moment. War\u2014you remember Pereobrazhensky\u2014ruin is in the minds, therefore the war will end when everyone wants to accept that this was a great mistake of the Russian authorities, which led to a catastrophe for the Russian people and to a tragedy in the relations between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples. And when this becomes clear, only then will it be possible to conclude how soon it will be and whether it is possible that it will drag on indefinitely. That is why it seems to me that we need to think about our children and grandchildren; there is nothing left to think about for ourselves. Today's adults, people like you and me, these people will never forgive each other again.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 3<\/p>\n

I don't believe in this anymore.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

I just saw how Russians are reacting, the percentage of support for Putin and so on\u2014I mean his actions, not him, but his actions. It's impossible. But for the children<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Unknown speaker<\/p>\n

We must fight.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

And for the grandchildren. This is a big chance. Because we understand that we will not leave these lands. Not we, not you, that there is justice. And that is why we must knock on all possible doors, knock on closed human doors. That is exactly it. We must knock and talk about it. Because in reality, it is difficult to figure this out under bombs, under gunfire. And under this information attack. Because information bombardment\u2014I don't know what was scarier, information bombardment for long, long years or bullets\u2014both are scary. Therefore, one must in this<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Unknown speaker<\/p>\n

figure it out.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

People who don't understand deeply need to figure it out. Try to accept this as a tragedy and try to resolve it. Try to resolve it. Well, strictly speaking, that's how it is. And we definitely want peace. Because if we didn't want it, believe me, you see, we would be, we would be in Crimea tomorrow. If there were a war at this level right now, we'd go forward, we'd run, we'd shout "hurrah." Yes, no, what kind of hurrah. We are hitting them on our territories. One of our soldiers takes out ten Russians because they don't understand what they are doing here. That's it. But these [our soldiers] know for sure that his wife is now somewhere in Poland with a child. Or there in Volnovakha she was crushed yesterday, you understand? That's why this people have so much strength. Not because they are special. Because we have a tragedy. And I'm trying to explain that it's in this. And therefore, when Russia says that the documents must state that you will not retake Crimea by military means, yes, we will not retake it by military means. I feel sorry for the people. I feel sorry for ours, the people. Because people will go there and they will perish. It's just heartbreaking. You still haven't done anything in these ten years. I'm not saying this to you, guys. Just so you don't get offended with me. But nothing was done. What has been done there in Crimea? Hotels built in ten years, like in Dubai. Or what? What has been done there? What has been brought there? That the Donbass Arena could have been reopened? They just hit it there with a shell and it stands. But to restart it. Just so that… Well, it's impossible to do any of this. Do you understand? People came with a different ideology. I just don't want to\u2014there's just no time to waste. You don't understand what's going on there with those flooded mines? And no one can understand this. Except for the people who are there. It's just like a catastrophe there with these groundwater levels. Look, it's a total catastrophe there. Do you think Putin doesn't know certain things? Do you think he wants this Donbas? He will take all the money from the Russians. To put things in order there. So that people there wouldn't be poisoned and could drink clean water. To deal with these flooded mines. You have to know how to handle them. This is the closing of mines. When I became president, I started studying issues that I had never known in my life. And they told us that we had such-and-such mines. They are draining money, draining money. But coal production is decreasing. And many mines\u2014some miners need to be transferred from one mine to another. Where the mining is normal. Let them work there, but here they need to be closed. People need to find other professions. And these will all become ghost towns later. You can't just flood a mine. You can't just blow it up. A catastrophe begins. Of different kinds. Not only social, humanitarian. What to do with these people? Where to move them? Ecological catastrophe. It's terrifying. And all of this is already there. Not that it has just started. Everything. What to do with all of this?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

Let me squeeze in one last question. What do you think? Why is Vladimir Putin doing this? What is the first thought that comes to you that could explain this? What thought comes to mind? Why? Why did this happen?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

It depends. A lot of things. One thought. One thought, like with Dud, when he asks his question and they answer that question and so on. It won't work like that with me. In general, he<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 6<\/p>\n

a lot…<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Yes, he has a multi-vector approach to the whole issue. The issue of Russia. To the issue of Russia's place in the world. The leadership of the Russian Federation. And all those who left Russia. Who have the right not to be Russia. There is a whole history here. Do you understand? Yes. A historical approach. And these are different things. The Caucasus is the Caucasus. Georgians are Georgians. Moldova is Moldova. Ukraine is Ukraine. These are different stories. Ukraine is dangerous from many points of view. First, the loss of the influence of the Russian language. He lost several million of the Russian-speaking population. He lost them. He wants to return all of this by force, which will lead to another wave. Let's not repeat ourselves about this. I don't want to. Second, of course, the success of Ukraine. And due to geopolitics, the disposition of the people. He knows exactly what kind of people are here. He doesn't fully understand anymore, but nevertheless. Many people understand that such an enthusiastic, hardworking people will, of course, leap forward economically. And it's clear that there are economic risks from the point of view of the Russian Federation. Why shouldn't we try? We were told that the European Union is not very good, but it turns out it is very [much so]. And look, what steps. Look, the situation is practically changing for us. Young people are coming to us. This is according to his inner world. And what about him? And what's next? "And if it's possible there, why isn't it possible here in Russia," people will say? Well, look, there are many reasons why he acts this way. This ambition, that I want the Soviet Union, well, how viable is that? How much longer does he have to live? Well, like any person\u2014I'm not saying\u2014but like any person who is 70-80 years old, well, how long? I mean, he's not going to live another 50 years, right? And that's it. Therefore, the plans of today's<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Unknown speaker<\/p>\n

appeasement.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 5<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, I believe that his plans are not strategic. Strategy is what will happen in 100 years with the state he leads, a quarter-century. This is it; I am nobody to him\u2014I mean, I am not an advisor, I am certainly no advisor to the Russian people\u2014but I believe that this is strategy. Strategy is not what will be after me, but strategy as to what will be after the fifth person like me, what will be in five generations. Where will we be? I am interested in what will happen with Ukraine. This interests me as a citizen, for my children. And if I'm not interested\u2014well, stop, France, Italy, Switzerland, children there, grandchildren there, Great Britain and so on. Not a forced departure. I am not comparing this with dissent or forced migration. But rather, when my plans are such\u2014to rake in the money and go there. Then that is a different approach. Then you need the today, so that they remember, so there is a monument, a mausoleum, a memorial, a certificate. Then it's like that, then a certificate. Today I see a certificate in these actions, I don't even see a memorial. And I believe that this is a mistake. But I believe it's not just his mistake, but that of his entourage. He is in this, in this. You understand, in this. Here, remember\u2014well, okay, I won't compare him with that leader, he's gone now. Therefore, all his multi-vectorism and so on, and Abkhazia, and all that\u2014Russia will lose it all, of course. It will lose all of it. But what is the problem? How will those people get along afterward? This is just like us with these people, with Donbas, where for 10 years they've been brainwashing the children in school about who we are, what kind of Nazis we are. And how do we deal with that later? That's the problem. This is me answering the question: what's next? And what will happen in three generations, five? That's the problem. What's the point; they hammered some nails, split it all apart. Now all of this, as it were, someone has to do, you understand? The party was great, guys, but who's going to clean up?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Speaker 4<\/p>\n

Well, colleagues, let's end here. Thank you very much. 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