{"id":6334,"date":"2022-06-21T08:51:24","date_gmt":"2022-06-21T06:51:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/2022-06-21-2\/"},"modified":"2026-09-21T14:17:45","modified_gmt":"2026-09-21T12:17:45","slug":"2022-06-21-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/en\/2022-06-21-2\/","title":{"rendered":"2022-06-21"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>11:56<\/h2>\n<p>It was a bit disappointing that the Russian navy did not carry out a punitive expedition against Odessa and sink entirely under a cloud of Harpoons, Twitter rumors about sunk Russian vessels but as said, rumors and salt bucket.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nI also believe that a lot of these losses we see are at the Kherson front and that it is the Ukrainian air force and army aviation as well as precision artillery striking against the Russian advance to plug the holes Ukraine is tearing open. Sure, things happen on other front sections but the Russians are supposed to have adapted their tactics and attack in smaller groups behind a rain of artillery, and Ukrainian artillery is somewhat less active on the eastern front and works more as counter-artillery.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nAt Kherson and the southern front, Ukraine has concentrated its air force, artillery, and pooled forces for an offensive. After they took the bridgehead at Davydiv Brid, Russia must be sending up reserves on the road and through known bottlenecks in an area where US signals intelligence is comprehensive due to widespread stay-behind\/SOF. Again, there are Twitter rumors of heavy Russian losses there but the air force itself gives us updates every other day stating they have struck troop concentrations and not fixed targets or Russians in trenches. After all, there are not infinite BTGs at Kherson and it is a difficult area to bring forward reserves since it only takes eyes on three points to spot them.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nRussian losses are otherwise very positive because at this pace, they burn through remaining armor quite quickly and an artillery battery cannot fire tomorrow. T62s seem to be used in offensive operations now.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>12:25<\/h2>\n<p>I know this is the wrong thread but quite a few years ago (2014-2016?? I don\u2019t remember exactly) LW wrote about a serious recession &#8220;2022-2024&#8221;, could have been 2023 as well. It seems that prediction will age quite well.<br \/>\nI\u2019m starting to read that exports are slowing down now and it\u2019s not just house price crashes, soaring interest rates, inflation, insanely high electricity prices, crazy gasoline prices, and general gloom but also unemployment making its entrance.<br \/>\n-Imagine if we had our nuclear power plants running at 100% and could export electricity at today\u2019s prices, the Nordics\u2019 Dubai\u2026<br \/>\n(sorry OT, will immediately go back to the Russian slaughter and launched T62s).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>20:16<\/h3>\n<p>Guys \ud83d\ude42 That medal ceremony where the most shining medal was for the most dead Russians included quite a few women which is equal and good.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nThey also cannot \u201cgo around\u201d Lysychansk westward and there are enormous fields of fire so it\u2019s out of the frying pan into the fire as usual. What could be a bit dangerous is if Siversk falls but then they have to succeed with a river crossing and right now Slovyansk seems more like a flytrap for the Russians. Slovyansk is another one of those killing grounds like Severodonetsk that functions a bit like shiny objects for magpies it seems, the Russians just have to have it.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nIt\u2019s probably Zolote that Ukraine must start thinking about either relieving or abandoning and they are probably launching a counterattack there if one guesses because that defense has been very successful, it is attacked from all sides by fairly large Russian units. I read somewhere that the defense is 2,000 soldiers but don\u2019t know if that\u2019s true. It\u2019s actually incredible that this pocket\/bow north of Horlivka hasn\u2019t fallen yet. It\u2019s an area for delaying action that Ukraine has held because they can, a retreat to the line Siversk \u2013 Bakhmut is by no means strategic really and my scenario was probably that they would have retreated from that area.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>20:31<\/h3>\n<p>Yes, one just wants this nightmare to end and step one is Kherson \u2013 Melitopol and that chess move. If Ukraine can\u2019t manage that, I get a bit worried but right now most signs indicate they are pushing forward and that HIMARS has been delivered there with a stop on the way at Orm\u00f6n. What is reported at Kherson is that Ukraine\u2019s CAS is active and constantly striking Russian advances and therefore I think the Russians are taking losses. Ukraine\u2019s artillery is also very active but Liveuamap only reports Russian activity. The offensive is a constant guessing game and the Twitter gods are even more positive than I am and someone interprets FIRMS even more positively so it\u2019s hard to get an accurate picture.<br \/>\nPretty sure it will go slower at the city of Kherson because they are now at the main defensive line and will probably have to enter from the west or southwest. Therefore, I think they will reach the Dnipro first at Khakovka and that\u2019s what I\u2019m watching, once they have done that Kherson is locked and then probably Melitopol follows.<br \/>\nAccording to FIRMS, it seems a bit quieter at the southern front = Zaporizhzhia, but it is often mentioned in reports so something is happening there.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nKherson \u2013 southern front is anyway the key to whether the war becomes a quick (quicker) end or a grinding conflict over several years and one really keeps fingers crossed that this won\u2019t be a ten-year war\u2026<br \/>\nUkraine as a country could probably function reasonably west of the Dnipro but it\u2019s an open wound that never heals. If they at least can get back their 2014 borders and then defend the border with force, they could return to a normal state.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>21:09<\/h2>\n<p>I\u2019m waiting for a little surprise here, it has been very quiet along the Vuhledar \u2013 Horlivka line for quite some time now because the Russians are not making any direct offensive attempts there and Ukraine is lying low.<br \/>\nNow Ukraine has pooled quite a bit in the pocket\/bow north of Horlivka and the unit maps are probably misleading but according to them there are two mechanized brigades in the area and the defense is largely Donbass rebels in the 1st Army?<br \/>\nSo what could possibly happen is that Ukraine sneaks back a few villages\/communities there if the opportunity arises. If it\u2019s quiet, Ukraine uses that time to fill up companies with personnel and materiel, the whole brigade is not on the front line but a couple of battalions resting that are reinforced.<br \/>\nIt\u2019s not a priority but it\u2019s the same for the Russians, they are weak there too.<br \/>\nIf it becomes a hot spot at Melitopol for the Russians, the only reserves they can take are at Donbass and then they become even weaker there.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>21:16<\/h3>\n<p>The fact is, if you think a bit more about it, you are completely right Thomas, the West has given up its colonies but Russia is an active oppressor in quite a few places and as soon as someone protests, they get war as a letter in the mail. When I did my military service, all the officers went on a sightseeing trip to Grozny to see the devastation, I never understood how they dared since it was probably still war but they were also at a gun ranch Russian style shooting anti-aircraft guns and RPGs.<br \/>\nIt would be an excellent opportunity if one could break off those who want to leave Russia so the country becomes less of a threat, imagine if they had to send Muscovites and St. Petersburg Russians to this war, then public opinion would probably have turned against Putin immediately.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>21:44<\/h2>\n<p>Seems like the EU leaders agree that Ukraine should get candidate status or whatever it&#8217;s called.<br \/>\nOfficially, it should be decided on June 22-23, but it&#8217;s nice that the EU supports Ukraine and lets them start the path towards our community.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nLysychansk is a veritable fortress that you don&#8217;t capture easily. The southern supply route is a bit exposed right now, but the northern one is open. What happens if the northern one goes down too? Ukraine can probably run supplies on dirt roads or fields at least until autumn? It feels spontaneously like that city will never fall and that all Russian attempts to encircle it will happen over open fields with fire from three directions and river crossings from two of the three directions.<br \/>\nIf Ukraine conducts a tactical retreat, the next line is roughly Seversk \u2013 Bakhmut, and then we have the Slovyansk line \u2013 a ceasefire line if needed.<br \/>\nThe Russians&#8217; willingness to fight and die really surprises me every day; they are pushing forward as if nothing has happened with T62s. Any other country would have thrown in the towel and offered repairs at any cost.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>21:51<\/h3>\n<p>Look at that, now he has marked Kyselivka for the blue team \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\nThen they are at that valley from which the reconnaissance soldier posted his video, &#8220;10 km from Kherson&#8221; a while ago. After that, there is an open field down to Chornobaivka, so quite difficult terrain.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nI wonder if the counterattack at Tommy Balka and V ut was to rescue the units trapped in Stanislav. They were probably there for a counterattack against Oleksandrivka but then got overrun north of their position.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nZolote is starting to look a bit risky\u2026<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-2\">\n<h4>21:52<\/h4>\n<p>Comfortable artillery range to Kherson now\u2026<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>22:20<\/h2>\n<p>Wonder how Putin&#8217;s PR will spin the fact that Panzerhaubitze 2000 with German military crosses is in Ukraine?<br \/>\nScholz is his strongest supporter but also almost an open target for Nazi references, I think.<br \/>\nThe fact is that if you don&#8217;t call the Germans Nazis but continue calling Ukraine that, it becomes a bit wrong.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>11:56 It was a bit disappointing that the Russian navy did not carry out a punitive expedition against Odessa and 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