{"id":3049,"date":"2025-10-16T07:01:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-16T05:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/?p=3049"},"modified":"2025-10-16T20:31:11","modified_gmt":"2025-10-16T18:31:11","slug":"u137-del-2-debattorer-journalister-och-andra-i-ubatsfragan-16-oktober-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/sv\/u137-del-2-debattorer-journalister-och-andra-i-ubatsfragan-16-oktober-2025\/","title":{"rendered":"U137 del 2 \u2013 debatt\u00f6rer journalister och andra i ub\u00e5tsfr\u00e5gan, 16 Oktober 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Redan 1984 b\u00f6rjade debatten g\u00e5 het kring felnavigeringssp\u00e5ret, framf\u00f6r allt mellan Ingvar Myhrberg (<em>ub\u00e5tsvalsen<\/em> <em>1985<\/em>) som skrev f\u00f6r DN och p\u00e5 andra sidan stod Svenska Dagbladet och officersk\u00e5ren.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tommy Lindfors som skrev <em>under ytan<\/em> <em>1996<\/em> kom v\u00e4l ocks\u00e5 in i debatten.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SR har en \u00e5sikt i fr\u00e5gan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!E0HE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70893168-1a32-4afa-8508-2b669bb87edd_995x357.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!E0HE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70893168-1a32-4afa-8508-2b669bb87edd_995x357.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:507px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sverigesradio.se\/artikel\/23956\">https:\/\/www.sverigesradio.se\/artikel\/23956<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>U137 var en stor politisk skandal d\u00e4r b\u00e5de f\u00f6rsvarsministern Gustafsson och statsminister F\u00e4lldin snudd p\u00e5 gjorde en \u201dTsunamin 2004\u201d och var oantr\u00e4ffbara n\u00e4r dom borde varit antr\u00e4ffbara \u2013 F\u00e4lldin klarade sig men f\u00f6rsvarsministern fick det sv\u00e5rt i media.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Men \u00e4ven f\u00f6r ryssarna fick det konsekvenser, fartygschefen Gustjin ryktades ha f\u00e5tt 2-3 \u00e5r i Gulag och sen blev det mycket vodka i en l\u00e4genhet i en f\u00f6rort till Moskva. Flera i staben degraderades tillsammans med Avrukevitj \u2013 vet inte exakt vad som st\u00e4mmer d\u00e4r, mycket rykten.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det var en helt of\u00f6rberred marin som fick rafsa ihop det dom hade tillg\u00e4ngligt f\u00f6r att hj\u00e4lpligt kunna bemanna n\u00e5gra fartyg, ub\u00e5tar och artilleribatterier n\u00e4r en rysk ub\u00e5t grundst\u00f6tte i ett milit\u00e4rt skyddsomr\u00e5de inte l\u00e5ngt fr\u00e5n Karlskrona, och under p\u00e5g\u00e5ende ub\u00e5tstester i n\u00e4romr\u00e5det.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det diskuteras mycket om v\u00e5ra kustbatterier och eldledningsradar men det Sovjet f\u00f6rmodligen var oroligast f\u00f6r var v\u00e5r tunga attack, \u201d\u00d6Bs Klubba\u201d. Hade den sv\u00e4rmen flugit an och avfyrat sina robotar hade den d\u00e4r unds\u00e4ttningsstyrkan p\u00e5 tiotalet fartyg beh\u00f6vt unds\u00e4ttas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Den allm\u00e4nna debatten gick fr\u00e5n att det var sovjetiska kr\u00e4nkningar till att det ocks\u00e5 var NATO p\u00e5verkansoperationer, till att Sovjet egentligen inte kr\u00e4nkte oss \u2013 d\u00e4r man varierade sig mellan inga sovjetiska kr\u00e4nkningar alls eller till att det mest var NATO.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nedan saluf\u00f6r SVT sin egen dokument\u00e4r fr\u00e5n Uppdrag Granskning 2006 om H\u00e5rsfj\u00e4rden med orden \u201dkr\u00e4nkande ub\u00e5tar var fr\u00e5n NATO\u201d. Det \u00e4r en sanning med modifikation som ligger utanf\u00f6r vad denna artikelserie diskuterar, men oroa er inte vi kommer till H\u00e5rsfj\u00e4rden framledes och SVT slirar p\u00e5 sanningen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!afg_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafe85720-c9c8-4d12-9810-5c5cdb0ea920_817x268.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!afg_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafe85720-c9c8-4d12-9810-5c5cdb0ea920_817x268.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:326px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/krankande-ubatar-var-fran-nato\">https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/krankande-ubatar-var-fran-nato<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SVT daterat 2014.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!YRMG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56960b3b-f72d-4c99-b6ff-d2ae475f4cb6_812x135.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!YRMG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56960b3b-f72d-4c99-b6ff-d2ae475f4cb6_812x135.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:517px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/u-batsjakter-vi-minns\">https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/u-batsjakter-vi-minns<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Eller att SVT h\u00e5ller fr\u00e5gan om U137 kr\u00e4nkte avsiktligt eller inte \u00f6ppen s\u00e5 sent som 2021.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2 is-viewable-img\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!0cDN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5bd108f-08d5-4ffb-b5a7-222eaf2db461_827x412.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!0cDN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5bd108f-08d5-4ffb-b5a7-222eaf2db461_827x412.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:440px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/11-dygn-som-skakade-sverige\">https:\/\/www.svt.se\/nyheter\/inrikes\/11-dygn-som-skakade-sverige<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SVT \u00e4r trots allt v\u00e5r statstelevision och dom b\u00f6r s\u00e5 l\u00e5ngt m\u00f6jligt h\u00e5lla sig till fakta men n\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller ub\u00e5tsfr\u00e5gan har dom haft vissa sv\u00e5righeter med det.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dom skriver \u00e4nd\u00e5 detta under de flesta av sina artiklar;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!yNQA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb690606f-af96-408b-9a59-f8a281316893_813x153.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!yNQA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb690606f-af96-408b-9a59-f8a281316893_813x153.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:462px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Har man i debatten h\u00e5llit sig till hederlig analys b\u00f6r man som MANA medlem Nils-Ove Johansson kommit fram till att NATO var och kr\u00e4nkte oss med v\u00e5rt goda minne, som dom f\u00f6rvisso t\u00e4njde r\u00e4tt frikostigt p\u00e5, men att det var Sovjet som var hos oss krigsf\u00f6rberedande \u2013 och att det var Sovjet som var v\u00e5ra fiender.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!8bTm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5fd8c9e8-d5fb-4697-95bd-80e960515439_345x231.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!8bTm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5fd8c9e8-d5fb-4697-95bd-80e960515439_345x231.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:257px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/kkrva.se\/hot\/2015:1\/rossander_ubatar_an_en_gang.pdf\">https:\/\/kkrva.se\/hot\/2015:1\/rossander_ubatar_an_en_gang.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Om Sovjet inte hade f\u00f6rberett sig f\u00f6r att anfalla oss hade inte UK och USA brytt sig om att br\u00e4nna stora belopp p\u00e5 att snurra runt i v\u00e5r sk\u00e4rg\u00e5rd i lilla \u00d6stersj\u00f6n.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Som bevis f\u00f6r ovan p\u00e5st\u00e5ende anf\u00f6r vi vad som h\u00e4nde efter sovjets kollaps d\u00e5 lugnet l\u00e4grade sig och inga ub\u00e5tar kr\u00e4nkte oss under ganska m\u00e5nga \u00e5r \u2013 eftersom USA och UK inte hade f\u00f6r avsikt att kr\u00e4nka oss utan bara h\u00f6ll ett \u00f6ga p\u00e5 Sovjet och \u00f6nskade att vi var alerta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu 2025 har vi v\u00e4l i och f\u00f6r sig enats kring att USA k\u00f6r sitt race och g\u00f6r var som \u00e4r b\u00e4st f\u00f6r dom \u2013 dom \u00e4r precis som banken inte din v\u00e4n brukar vi raljera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Men USA planerade inte att invadera oss under kalla kriget, det var Sovjet som planerade det.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vissa av de debatt\u00f6rer som profilerade sig i den \u00f6vergripande debatten tog fasta p\u00e5 NATOs kr\u00e4nkningar och extrapolerade \u00f6ver tid till att Sovjet aldrig, eller s\u00e4llan, kr\u00e4nkte oss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ola Tunander var tongivande och sj\u00f6satte en hel del av de av de teorier som snappades upp av andra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sveriges Radio<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2 is-viewable-img\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!wRct!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d340e71-bad1-4583-85e2-c169a14b2229_987x632.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!wRct!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d340e71-bad1-4583-85e2-c169a14b2229_987x632.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:622px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sverigesradio.se\/artikel\/25263\">https:\/\/www.sverigesradio.se\/artikel\/25263<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ola var lite av en trojansk h\u00e4st d\u00e5 han ingick i den expertgrupp som skulle bringa klarhet i ub\u00e5tskr\u00e4nkningarna och sedan dess roat sig med att anklaga andra deltagare, regeringen och f\u00f6rsvarsmakten f\u00f6r att m\u00f6rka och ljuga d\u00e4r den f\u00f6rtroendeposition han f\u00e5tt \u00e4ran att inneha blev en bra spr\u00e5ngbr\u00e4da. Det finns hur m\u00e5nga diskussioner som helst mellan \u00e4ldre-\u00e4ldre h\u00f6ga officerare och Tunander d\u00e4r dom f\u00e4ktas med pennan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Att ni inte h\u00f6rt namnet f\u00f6rut betyder inte att han \u00e4r marginell i debatten bara att ni inte har h\u00e4ngt med \u2013 googla p\u00e5 hans namn s\u00e5 f\u00e5r ni se en flodv\u00e5g av debattartiklar, b\u00f6cker och deltagande i alla m\u00f6jliga olika sammanhang, det h\u00e4r \u00e4r en person vars \u00e5sikter har gett stort avtryck i den \u00f6vergripande debatten och bidragit till hur medborgarna i Sverige \u00f6ver tid uppfattat vem som egentligen l\u00e5g bakom ub\u00e5tskr\u00e4nkningarna i v\u00e5r inre sk\u00e4rg\u00e5rd.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det enklaste nu efter 2022 \u00e4r att se hur Ola Tunander positionerat sig i Ukrainakriget \u2013 d\u00e5 har vi ett kvitto p\u00e5 hur han st\u00e4ller sig till Ryssland eller hur?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e5 fr\u00e5gan \u2013 \u201dhar Ryssland brutit mot internationell r\u00e4tt\u201d n\u00e4r dom invaderade Ukraina drar han f\u00f6ljande slutsats,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!2KOO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F18e37327-03bb-4172-9087-98b47484bb96_867x177.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!2KOO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F18e37327-03bb-4172-9087-98b47484bb96_867x177.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:539px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.globalpolitics.se\/viktig-fraga-fran-ola-tunander-har-ryssland-brutit-mot-internationell-ratt-del-i\">https:\/\/www.globalpolitics.se\/viktig-fraga-fran-ola-tunander-har-ryssland-brutit-mot-internationell-ratt-del-i<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu kanske n\u00e5gra t\u00e4nker att Johan No.1 extrapolerar f\u00f6r l\u00e5ngt men det \u00e4r viktigt att f\u00f6rst\u00e5 att han sedan 2022 skrivit f\u00f6rv\u00e5nansv\u00e4rt mycket om ukrainakriget &#8211; till exempel att det inte var Ryssland som m\u00f6rdade de civila i Bucha.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!9JgN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70cb1e27-9019-4dea-a3e2-8098327d219c_827x253.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!9JgN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70cb1e27-9019-4dea-a3e2-8098327d219c_827x253.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:389px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.nytid.no\/et-velregissert-skuespill\">https:\/\/en.nytid.no\/et-velregissert-skuespill<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00e4r har vi nog ringat in Ola Tunander t\u00e4nker jag och kan g\u00e5 vidare, har ni \u00f6ver tid l\u00e4st mina dagliga poster \u00e4r ni tillr\u00e4ckligt skarpslipade nu f\u00f6r att k\u00e4nna igen tecknen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Handen p\u00e5 hj\u00e4rtat, hur m\u00e5nga av er har tyckt att Ola Tunanders teorier kring ub\u00e5tskr\u00e4nkningarna var sp\u00e4nnande l\u00e4sning?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hur k\u00e4nner ni er nu n\u00e4r ni reagerar \u00f6ver hans f\u00f6rslag att det var Ukraina som iscensatte massakern i Bucha f\u00f6r att f\u00e5 Ryssland att se d\u00e5liga ut?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sen har vi Magasinet Filter \u2013 dom g\u00e5r n\u00e4stan \u00e4nnu l\u00e4ngre f\u00f6r den linjen dom driver \u00e4r att det inte finns bevis alls att Sovjet kr\u00e4nkte oss. Dom skriver j\u00e4kligt bra det f\u00e5r man tillst\u00e5, viss fanboy av G\u00f6ransson men det kommer jag aldrig erk\u00e4nna publikt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dom har v\u00e4l runt 100 000st l\u00e4sare och n\u00e4r dom skrivit spektakul\u00e4ra artiklar gillar etablerad media att lyfta det \u2013 som i ub\u00e5tskr\u00e4nkningarna.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!m6AZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14bcc79c-ab42-4361-8f63-ca4acc2c0f55_858x346.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!m6AZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14bcc79c-ab42-4361-8f63-ca4acc2c0f55_858x346.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:521px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/magasinetfilter.se\/filterbubblan\/dupond-och-dupont-i-harsfjarden\">https:\/\/magasinetfilter.se\/filterbubblan\/dupond-och-dupont-i-harsfjarden<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Magasinet Filter ans\u00e5g faktiskt i Januari 2022 att Ryssland inte var ett hot och mer fel \u00e4n s\u00e5 kunde man v\u00e4l knappast ha. Lite m\u00e4rkligt att media inte \u00e5tergivit det lika ivrigt som deras teoretiserande kring ub\u00e5tskr\u00e4nkningarna.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!yzkb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48d1f39d-9f6d-4891-b86f-bb7fa5a9cc8b_827x253.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!yzkb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48d1f39d-9f6d-4891-b86f-bb7fa5a9cc8b_827x253.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:467px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/magasinetfilter.se\/filterbubblan\/den-svenska-reaktionen-pa-hotet-fran-ryssland-ar-mandag-hela-veckan\">https:\/\/magasinetfilter.se\/filterbubblan\/den-svenska-reaktionen-pa-hotet-fran-ryssland-ar-mandag-hela-veckan<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det man f\u00e5r ge magasiner filter \u00e4r att dom g\u00f6r ett grundligt jobb och att dom skriver bra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hade Magasinet Filter och Ola Tunander varit helylle-debatt\u00f6rer hade vi nog varit r\u00e4tt n\u00e4ra en genomlysning av ub\u00e5tsfr\u00e5gan idag f\u00f6r dom \u00e4r bra p\u00e5 research och har f\u00e5tt fram mycket information. En bra motvikt till f\u00f6rsvarsmakten som f\u00f6rs\u00f6kte l\u00e4gga locket p\u00e5.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vissa andra som Anders Jallai s\u00e5lde b\u00f6cker och drev v\u00e4l det narrativ som s\u00e5lde mest b\u00f6cker kanske.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det som Anders absolut kan h\u00e5llas till svars f\u00f6r \u00e4r att han som f\u00f6rtfattare valt att f\u00f6rst\u00e4rka Ola Tunanders genomslagskraft genom att ofta referera till honom som en p\u00e5litlig k\u00e4lla och ge kredibilitet till hans teorier om att Sovjet inte kr\u00e4nkte oss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a class=\"image-link image2\" href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!hma2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F382bc0ba-0d31-4dad-a6f7-6ac51ce4f18c_690x155.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/$s_!hma2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F382bc0ba-0d31-4dad-a6f7-6ac51ce4f18c_690x155.png\" alt=\"\" style=\"width:472px;height:auto\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-anders-jallai wp-block-embed-anders-jallai\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"T7U5ptlM7Z\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jallai.se\/2013\/01\/bevisligen-en-nato-ubat\/\">Bevisligen en NATO-ub\u00e5t<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201dBevisligen en NATO-ub\u00e5t\u201d &ndash; ANDERS JALLAI\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jallai.se\/2013\/01\/bevisligen-en-nato-ubat\/embed\/#?secret=T0552WLYbc#?secret=T7U5ptlM7Z\" data-secret=\"T7U5ptlM7Z\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Anders \u00e4r en supporter av Ukraina i p\u00e5g\u00e5ende krig \u2013 ingen diskussion d\u00e4r \u00e4ven om han kanske inte \u00e4r j\u00e4tteengagerad i just den debatten.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Allt citerat ovan \u00e4r vad dessa sj\u00e4lva skrivit p\u00e5 sina \u00f6ppna plattformar och jag h\u00e5ller mig inom citatr\u00e4tten samt k\u00e4llh\u00e4nvisar &#8211; s\u00e5 jag tror jag g\u00f6r r\u00e4tt och ingenting \u00e4r f\u00f6rsvanskat f\u00f6r att passa ett narrativ jag f\u00f6rs\u00f6ker bygga &#8211; \u00e4rlig som en katolsk pr\u00e4st i Boston.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vissa k\u00e4nner kanske att det \u00e4r kul l\u00e4sning om NATOs f\u00f6rkastliga agerande och dubbelspel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Andra kanske k\u00e4nner att det var att f\u00f6rnedra v\u00e5ra f\u00f6rsvarsanst\u00e4llda som riskerade sina liv f\u00f6r att freda landet Sverige n\u00e4r Sovjet kr\u00e4nkte oss i v\u00e5r innersk\u00e4rg\u00e5rd.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jag tycker att vi \u00e4r p\u00e5 god v\u00e4g att tillr\u00e4ttal\u00e4gga historien till att Sovjet inte direkt kr\u00e4nkte oss under kalla kriget och gillar det inte. Historia skall beskrivas s\u00e5 hederligt som m\u00f6jligt f\u00f6r det historiska arkivet \u2013 inte tv\u00e4ttas rent med en agenda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00e5 h\u00e4r skrev ett h\u00f6gt bef\u00e4l som var aktiv i Blekinge kustartilleri under dessa \u00e5r till mig vid n\u00e5got tillf\u00e4lle, det var en \u00e5sikt han luftat i andra sammanhang ocks\u00e5 men jag utel\u00e4mnar namnet f\u00f6r s\u00e4kerhets skull;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201dDet JAG har sv\u00e5rt att leva med, \u00e4r personer som fortfarande, och med vilseledande p\u00e5st\u00e5enden, f\u00f6rs\u00f6ker urs\u00e4kta\/bagatellisera Sovjets aggressiva upptr\u00e4dande under denna period. Utan att s\u00e4tta in h\u00e4ndelsen i sitt historiska perspektiv. Utan h\u00e5llbara sakargument. Som du just gjort.<br><br>\u00c4nnu sv\u00e5rare \u00e4r det att leva med att n\u00e5gra tar sig friheten att offentligt h\u00e5na de oerh\u00f6rt p\u00e5frestande insatser som fr\u00e4mst Marinens personal utsattes f\u00f6r under 80- och 90-talen. Att h\u00e4vda v\u00e5rt territorium kostade m\u00e5nga krossade dr\u00f6mmar, ekonomier,f\u00f6rh\u00e5llanden och, indirekt, flera kamraters liv\u201d.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De jag valt som referenser ovan \u00e4r ingalunda de enda i debatten men dom t\u00e4cker in hela argumentationen och \u00e4r goda exempel p\u00e5 de argument som framf\u00f6rdes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Varf\u00f6r \u00e4r det h\u00e4r viktigt?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>U137 \u00e4r den enda enskilda h\u00e4ndelse d\u00e4r man inte kan avf\u00e4rda allt som smutskastning och konspiration och var tvungna att hitta alternativa f\u00f6rklaringsmodeller till varf\u00f6r Sovjet\/Ryssland inte var ett hot mot oss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ryssland g\u00f6r idag precis som Sovjet gjorde under kalla kriget \u2013 kr\u00e4nkningar, sabotage, p\u00e5verkansoperationer och subversiv verksamhet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu senast 15st dr\u00f6nare \u00f6ver en belgisk arm\u00e9bas som dom uppt\u00e4ckte av en slump n\u00e4r dom skulle testa n\u00e5t anti-dr\u00f6narvapen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Men vad \u00e4r det ni st\u00e4ndigt h\u00f6r fr\u00e5n ryskt h\u00e5ll?`<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>23st dr\u00f6nare rakt in i Polen var ett misstag, eller s\u00e5 var dom ukrainska.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>dr\u00f6nare \u00f6ver flygplatser i hela Europa \u00e4r absolut inte ryska.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Ryssland ville aldrig anfalla Ukraina.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Allt \u00e4r NATOs fel.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Man har dammat av handboken fr\u00e5n kalla kriget utbrister ni nu f\u00f6rv\u00e5nat, vi har l\u00e4rt oss n\u00e5got nytt efter tre \u00e5rs tr\u00e5lande av johanno1.se d\u00e4r han bara lurar oss p\u00e5 swish.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Med U137 gjorde Sovjet det n\u00e4st b\u00e4sta \u2013 felnavigering, trasig materiel, arbetsplatsolyckor eller kanske sj\u00f6fylla saluf\u00f6rdes som f\u00f6rslag p\u00e5 varf\u00f6r ub\u00e5ten grundst\u00f6tte. V\u00e4lj vilken ni vill erbj\u00f6d dom gener\u00f6st med ett brett ryskt flin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mot Sovjets st\u00e4ndiga nekande till alla kr\u00e4nkningar och flertalet kreativa f\u00f6rklaringsmodeller journalister och debatt\u00f6rer med stora medieplattformar valde att saluf\u00f6ra stod v\u00e5ra f\u00f6rsvarsmaktsanst\u00e4llda. Dom gjorde bara sina jobb, hade inte samma r\u00e4ckvidd som media, blev s\u00e5rade och f\u00f6rol\u00e4mpade av otrevliga journalister &#8211; och till sist gav dom upp i sina f\u00f6rs\u00f6k att f\u00e5 uppr\u00e4ttelse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>F\u00f6rsvarsmakten blev helt fr\u00e5n\u00e5kta och de m\u00e4n som l\u00e4gger enormt mycket arbete p\u00e5 debattartiklar mot Ola Tunander \u00e4r l\u00e5ngt \u00f6ver pensions\u00e5ldern men k\u00e4nner v\u00e4l att dom m\u00e5ste rentv\u00e5 sina namn n\u00e4r dom borde sola sig i glansen av sveriges uppskattning \u00f6ver att dom f\u00f6rsvarat oss mot Sovjet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Var det egentligen fel att f\u00f6rs\u00f6ka f\u00e5 Sovjet att se s\u00e5 illa ut som m\u00f6jligt?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vi har ju nu suttit i snart fyra \u00e5r och f\u00f6rs\u00f6kt prata ned Ryssland i v\u00e5ra diskussionsforum \u2013 ju s\u00e4mre dom ser ut desto b\u00e4ttre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>N\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller U137 kommer jag i n\u00e4sta inl\u00e4gg visa att argumentationen f\u00f6r felnavigering inte \u00e4r rimlig \u2013 det \u00e4r rimlighetsanalys och att f\u00f6rs\u00f6ka visa att sannolikheten f\u00f6r det \u00e4r f\u00f6r liten s\u00e5 det troligaste d\u00e5 \u00e4r att U137 r\u00e5kade grundst\u00f6ta i ett skarpt uppdrag.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det \u00e4r ocks\u00e5 av intresse av att parallellt visa p\u00e5 hur pass mycket arbete vissa v\u00e4ljer att l\u00e4gga p\u00e5 att driva en linje som endast Sovjet, senare Ryssland, gynnades av.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Redan tidigt efter millenieskiftet b\u00f6rjade v\u00e4l linjen drivas h\u00e5rt att det var NATOub\u00e5tar men jag b\u00f6rjade intressera mig p\u00e5 allvar f\u00f6r detta f\u00f6rst 2015 &#8211; det var efter att jag l\u00e4st jallais hemsida s\u00e5klart och fick samma aha-upplevelse som alla andra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Min position var d\u00e5 att det bara var NATO ist\u00e4llet och jag tyckte det var sensationellt, jag hade blivit grundlurad f\u00f6r f\u00f6rsta och enda g\u00e5ngen i mitt liv.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>N\u00e4r jag hittade Skalmantr\u00e5den (sillar och minkar) tog det mindre \u00e4n ett halv\u00e5r innan jag f\u00f6rstod att det var Sovjet som kr\u00e4nkte \u2013 jag bytte position eftersom bevisen var \u00f6verv\u00e4ldigande, man kan faktiskt f\u00f6lja i tr\u00e5den hur jag sakta glider \u00f6ver.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vi beh\u00f6ver ocks\u00e5 kalibrera oss till den \u00f6vergripande situationen f\u00f6r att b\u00e4ttre f\u00f6rst\u00e5 bevekelsegrunderna.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tidigt 80-tal startade Sovjet operation RYAN vilket var en riktad informationsinh\u00e4mtning f\u00f6r att f\u00f6rst\u00e5 och f\u00e5 f\u00f6rvarning om en attack med k\u00e4rnvapen fr\u00e5n USA.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Det blev lite av en sj\u00e4lvf\u00f6rst\u00e4rkande loop och n\u00e4r USA hade milit\u00e4r\u00f6vningen \u201dAble Archer\u201d 1983 trodde Sovjet att nu j\u00e4vlar sm\u00e4ller det \u2013 s\u00e5 pass paranoida och l\u00e4ttskr\u00e4mda var dom efter att ha snurrat till det totalt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ni kan sj\u00e4lva googla p\u00e5 \u201doperation RYAN\u201d, v\u00e4l beskrivet h\u00e4r faktiskt, det \u00e4r inga gissningar eller spekulation alls idag.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Operation_RYAN\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Operation_RYAN<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sovjet genomf\u00f6rde krigsf\u00f6rberedande \u00e5tg\u00e4rder som blev alltmer aggressiva \u2013 eftersom dessa inte \u00e4r del i U137 f\u00e5r ni h\u00e5lla er till senare inl\u00e4gg hunnit skrivas klart, jag vet att det kan vara sm\u00e5rt men zenmunkarna har en speciell andningsteknik f\u00f6r n\u00e4r mina inl\u00e4gg tar f\u00f6r l\u00e5ng tid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Den h\u00e4r st\u00f6rre bilden f\u00f6rnekar v\u00e4l egentligen ingen men det \u00e4r tolkningen om f\u00f6r\u00f6varen som sen blir sp\u00e4nnande.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En hederlig debatt\u00f6r kommer bekr\u00e4fta att USA\/NATO\/UK var i v\u00e5ra vatten dels med marinens goda minne, ibland f\u00f6r att tr\u00e4na oss, p\u00e5verkansoperationer h\u00e4r och d\u00e4r &#8211; 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