{"id":6172,"date":"2022-05-17T08:06:12","date_gmt":"2022-05-17T06:06:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/2022-05-17\/"},"modified":"2022-05-17T08:06:12","modified_gmt":"2022-05-17T06:06:12","slug":"2022-05-17","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/sv\/2022-05-17\/","title":{"rendered":"2022-05-17"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>11:05<\/h2>\n<p>N\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller Turkiets veto, och nu \u00e4r jag nog sist p\u00e5 den bollen i tr\u00e5den, s\u00e5 \u00e4r ju Finland \/Sverige f\u00f6rstapriset och Turkiet var ett tr\u00f6stpris som nu \u00e4r snudd p\u00e5 obsolet n\u00e4r man har Ukraina.<br \/>\nVad Erdogan s\u00e4ger och vad som kommer h\u00e4nda g\u00e5r inte n\u00f6dv\u00e4ndigtvis hand i hand h\u00e4r, att f\u00e5 den norra flanken under NATO \u00e4r en tolvtaggare f\u00f6r USA.<br \/>\nJag har p\u00e5 senare tid funderat lite kring vad reglerna \u00e4r f\u00f6r att kasta ut l\u00e4nder ur NATO och EU, n\u00e4r man s\u00e4tter upp sina polarklubbar t\u00e4nker man ofta igenom ans\u00f6kan och deltagande noga men sparka ut brukar f\u00e5 n\u00e5n rad i n\u00e5t stycke som har lite l\u00f6sa tr\u00e5dar eller n\u00e5t riktigt korkat som att 100% m\u00e5ste r\u00f6sta ja, och d\u00e5 omfattar ju det \u00e4ven landet som skall sparkas ut.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nSom jag ser det \u00e4r de stora organisationerna som FN, WHO och andra redan kantrade, FN har v\u00e4l typ 1000 f\u00f6rd\u00f6manden av Israel p\u00e5 n\u00e5gra \u00e5r och kan inte kl\u00e4mma ur sig ett endaste om Ukraina och i kommiten f\u00f6r m\u00e4nskliga r\u00e4ttigheter och den f\u00f6r kvinnors r\u00e4ttigheter sitter ju lite av varje, typ Saudiarabien och andra f\u00f6rtryckarregimer. WHO hj\u00e4lpte v\u00e4l ocks\u00e5 Kina att sprida COVID genom att anse att det inte beh\u00f6vdes flygstopp den kritiska m\u00e5naden. Dessa verkar mest vara till f\u00f6r att f\u00f6rsnilla bist\u00e5ndspengar tycker jag.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nV\u00e4gen fram\u00e5t \u00e4r nog ett starkt EU och ett starkt NATO, vi kan f\u00e5 ut n\u00e5t hundratal \u00e5r till av fred genom det. Enda andra hotet p\u00e5 kartan skulle vara Kina och det \u00e4r ju snudd p\u00e5 att sanktioner hade r\u00e4ckt f\u00f6r att f\u00e5 dom att backa.<br \/>\nRyssland f\u00e5r bli inkapslat i NATO och man har strama tyglar med sanktioner s\u00e5 dom inte kan bygga upp ett kvalificerat hot. V\u00e4rlden \u00e4r inte r\u00e4ttvis.<br \/>\nSom n\u00e5gon skrev \u00e4r nog inte Kina pigga p\u00e5 att bev\u00e4pna Ryssland, dom har v\u00e4l snarare kikat lite p\u00e5 land i sibirien som dom tycker borde tillh\u00f6ra dom. F\u00f6r vilken konflikt som helst i v\u00e4rlden kommer NATO och EU kunna dra ihop tillr\u00e4ckligt med f\u00f6rband fr\u00e5n den st\u00e5ende poolen s\u00e5 medlemsl\u00e4nderna i \u00f6vrigt kan utvecklas ekonomiskt som sig b\u00f6r.<br \/>\nMan f\u00e5r skjuta till extra medel f\u00f6r de l\u00e4nder som kapslar in Ryssland. Hotet mot detta \u00e4r ledande politiker i EU framf\u00f6rallt. UK och USA har en f\u00f6rm\u00e5ga att alltid hamna r\u00e4tt. Ovan \u00e4r inte en kulle jag \u00e4r beredd att d\u00f6 p\u00e5 som firms eller annat sp\u00e4nnande men som det borde utvecklas tycker jag.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>11:29<\/h3>\n<p>Jo avskyr krig. Det jag har tagit med mig \u00e4r att Ryssland inte kommer sluta med v\u00e5ld mot Ukraina med mindre \u00e4n att dom \u00e5ker ut med f\u00f6tterna f\u00f6re. Numer\u00e4r \u00e4r underordnad f\u00f6rm\u00e5ga och Ukraina har just nu b\u00e4gge under begr\u00e4nsad tid. Jag trodde p\u00e5 allvar att det skulle bli en snabb kollaps i Ryssland men har ju \u00f6ver tid f\u00f6rst\u00e5tt att sanktionerna inte \u00e4r mer \u00e4n en papperstiger n\u00e4r dom fortfarande pratar om att utesluta n\u00e5n bank fr\u00e5n SWIFT och att man kanske skall sluta k\u00f6pa olja och gas, snart. Nu f\u00e5r Ukraina kasta ut ryssen och sen bef\u00e4sta sin gr\u00e4ns med sin v\u00e4stliga arme och med v\u00e4stlig materiel och helt sonika ha en 30km demilitarizerad zon som dom uppr\u00e4tth\u00e5ller med v\u00e5ld.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>11:33<\/h2>\n<p>Man undrar n\u00e4r ryska f\u00f6rband f\u00e5r nog p\u00e5 riktigt och v\u00e4ljer liv. Flod\u00f6verg\u00e5ngarna \u00e4r allm\u00e4nt k\u00e4nda nu \u00f6verallt.<br \/>\nVissa retirerande ryska f\u00f6rband har f\u00f6rv\u00e4grats \u00e5terintr\u00e4de till rysk mark. Visst har det blivit lite varmare men snart tre m\u00e5naders krig med den h\u00e4r intensiteten t\u00e4r nog r\u00e4tt h\u00e5rt. Det man egentligen vill tvinga fram \u00e4r ju en frontkollaps under Ukrainsk offensiv som sprider sig och blir allm\u00e4n panik men s\u00e5 kul f\u00e5r vi v\u00e4l inte.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>11:44<\/h2>\n<p>Siffran 256 och av dom 50 s\u00e5rade \u00e4r r\u00e4tt konsekvent i prorysk media. Ig\u00e5r var det 300 som l\u00e4mnade Azovstal men nu reviderat till 256 eller \u00e4r det i tv\u00e5 omg\u00e5ngar? Ukraina sj\u00e4lva har v\u00e4l rapporterat 260?<br \/>\nFr\u00e5gan blir d\u00e5 om det \u00e4r alla f\u00f6rsvararna och dom har gjort som dom skulle och \u00f6verdrivit sin styrka eller om man l\u00e4mnat med de sv\u00e5rast s\u00e5rade och de som tror sig kunna \u00f6verleva f\u00e5ngenskap och att \u00f6vriga v\u00e4ljer att forts\u00e4tta sl\u00e5ss?<br \/>\nDet \u00e4r ocks\u00e5 prorysk uppgift om att det forts\u00e4tter idag och att man typ t\u00f6mmer olika sektioner av fortet, detta \u00e4r till skillnad fr\u00e5n ovan HELT obekr\u00e4ftat.<br \/>\nTankarna g\u00e5r till dom killarna idag, hoppas dom \u00f6verlever och inte f\u00e5r ett nackskott som tack.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>12:50<\/h3>\n<p>Allt detta m\u00e5ste komma i steg, n\u00e4r dom nu s\u00e5 sm\u00e5tt b\u00f6rjar f\u00f6rst\u00e5 att det \u00e4r slut p\u00e5 landvinningar m\u00e5ste dom f\u00e5 prova p\u00e5 att h\u00e5lla tagen terr\u00e4ng i sin version av djupf\u00f6rsvar. N\u00e4r det b\u00f6rjar bli sv\u00e5rt att plugga h\u00e5len Ukraina hackar upp och man inte f\u00e5r in reserver s\u00e5 det r\u00e4cker \u2013 D\u00e5 m\u00e5ste man b\u00f6rja fundera p\u00e5 hur man antingen drar sig ut med \u00e4ran i beh\u00e5ll eller f\u00e5r ha kvar Donbass-proper och Krim p\u00e5 politisk v\u00e4g. Man har sannolikt l\u00e4rt sig att den som kommer med f\u00f6r radikala ideer f\u00f6r tidigt f\u00e5r en kort karri\u00e4r. Jag \u00e4r r\u00e4tt s\u00e4ker p\u00e5 att det \u00e4r ryssarna som \u00e4r i ofas h\u00e4r och att det kommer bli lite som med Kharkiv p\u00e5 flera frontasvnitt fram\u00f6ver och d\u00e5 det \u00e4r viss tr\u00f6ghet i fredstrevare \u00e4r sannolikheten h\u00f6g att Ukraina antingen \u00e5tertagit allt eller att Ryssarna retirerat till 2014 gr\u00e4nsen p\u00e5 eget bev\u00e5g innan Putin et.al. hunnit f\u00e5 fart p\u00e5 ett narrativ som skulle kunna vinna geh\u00f6r hos det fria v\u00e4st.<br \/>\nTyp, \u201dvi g\u00e5r med p\u00e5 att ge upp Donbass om vi f\u00e5r beh\u00e5lla Krim\u201d \u2013 Ukraina intar Krim. \u201dAlright, vi kan t\u00e4nka oss bara Donbass om vi f\u00e5r en urs\u00e4kt ocks\u00e5\u201d \u2013 Ukraina tar halva Donbass, \u201dok, sista budet, vi \u00e4r skitn\u00f6jda med Luhansk men d\u00e5 betalar vi inget skadest\u00e5nd\u201d \u2013 film p\u00e5 Zelensky i Luhansk som g\u00f6r V tecknet.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>14:01<\/h3>\n<p>Jo s\u00e5 t\u00e4nker jag ocks\u00e5, fick Finland och Sverige l\u00e4mna in sin ans\u00f6kan utan att Ryska k\u00e4rnvapenb\u00e4rande strategiskt bombflyg och fartyg str\u00f6k omkring utanf\u00f6r v\u00e5r territorialgr\u00e4ns s\u00e5 h\u00e4nder det inte. Det hade varit det perfekta tillf\u00e4llet att rassla med sabeln f\u00f6r speciellt Sverige uppfattas nog som lite k\u00e4nsliga f\u00f6r s\u00e5dant.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nAtt dom skulle dunka p\u00e5 med taktiska k\u00e4rnvapen i Ukraina eller sl\u00e4ppa n\u00e5got p\u00e5 stad i Europa ser jag som uteslutet, nu \u00e4r till och med hotet om k\u00e4rnvapen f\u00f6rbrukat, dom har hotat f\u00f6r mycket och f\u00f6r l\u00e4nge.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>14:07<\/h2>\n<p>En pilot i en liten cessna har tydligen spenderat morgonen med att rita \u201dmake beer not war\u201d p\u00e5 flightradar uppe vid Ukrainska gr\u00e4nsen \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\nKolla aldrig en bra historia heter det v\u00e4l men det har ju varit en del kroppsdelar genom \u00e5ren p\u00e5 flightradar.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>14:12<\/h3>\n<p>Tar dom Vovchansk klipper dom f\u00f6rs\u00f6rjningsv\u00e4gen f\u00f6r hela norra offensiven men fr\u00e4mst Izyum.<br \/>\nOmv\u00e4gen runt \u00e4r mycket l\u00e5ng och nu \u00e4r ju Ukraina p\u00e5 v\u00e4g mot Kupiansk igen dessutom.<br \/>\nNu kan v\u00e4l\/har v\u00e4l Ryssland f\u00f6rs\u00f6rjning fr\u00e5n andra knutpunktet ocks\u00e5 men ett snyggt drag av Ukraina.<br \/>\nM\u00e4rkligt om Ryssarna inte klarar att h\u00e5lla Vovchansk eller terr\u00e4ngen runt f\u00f6r dom har bara tv\u00e5 ukrainska mekbrigader och national guards emot sig, inget j\u00e4ttenumer\u00e4r direkt, som dessutom f\u00f6rs\u00f6ker trycka p\u00e5 mot Kupiansk nu.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>16:36<\/h3>\n<p>\u00e4r det FN och RK har dom blod p\u00e5 sina h\u00e4nder om dom l\u00e5ter f\u00e5ngarna avlida f\u00f6r d\u00e5 har dom lurat in soldaterna med l\u00f6fte om s\u00e4kerhet som dom inte kan uppfylla. Nu kan jag noll om detta men minns ju tex. Srebreniza d\u00e4r holl\u00e4ndarna serverade 11 000 p\u00e5 ett fat till serberna. RK m\u00e5ste ju ha st\u00e4ndig \u00f6gonkontakt p\u00e5 varje soldat f\u00f6r att kunna leverera det dom lovat h\u00e4r och vid f\u00f6rsta f\u00f6rs\u00f6k till mord gallskrika i alla kanaler dom har.<br \/>\nNu \u00e4r det v\u00e4l EXAKT detta FN och RK skulle kunna vara bra f\u00f6r egentligen och dom kostar som ett litet land s\u00e5 upp till bevis.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>19:17<\/h2>\n<p>Jag undrar om n\u00e5gon vet varf\u00f6r s\u00e5 pass m\u00e5nga soldater i gott skick har kapitulerat vid Azovstal?<br \/>\nJag f\u00f6rst\u00e5r de s\u00e5rade och \u00e4ven s\u00e5na som tillh\u00f6rde border guards kanske har en chans men det verkar sitta Azov i bussarna, n\u00e5n dricker coca cola, n\u00e5n annan fixar med sk\u00e4gget.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nMin tanke \u00e4r att man hittade n\u00e5got effektivt med brandbomberna och att dom f\u00f6rst\u00e5tt att dom inte klarar sig l\u00e4nge till, bunker\u00f6ppningarna var v\u00e4l n\u00e4sta som skulle varit effektivt \u00f6ver tid om dom hittade alla. Eller s\u00e5 finns det en robust kontroll h\u00e4r att inget kommer h\u00e4nda men jag \u00e4r pessimistisk ang\u00e5ende Azov iallafall.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>19:26<\/h3>\n<p>Trist dag att tr\u00e5la proryska forum f\u00f6r dom studsar omkring helt lyriska \u00f6ver Azovstal. Det klarnar v\u00e4l om ett tag om det var alla eller de som beh\u00f6vde evakueras.<br \/>\n\u2014<br \/>\nN\u00e5got vi inte t\u00e4nkt p\u00e5 \u00e4r hur pass t\u00e5lmodiga Ukraina varit h\u00e4r, jag kan nog t\u00e4nka mig ett par g\u00e5nger i historien d\u00e4r man tyckt ett fritagningsf\u00f6rs\u00f6k varit p\u00e5 sin plats trots risiga odds. 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