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10:33<\/h2>\n

N\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller MBT och IFV s\u00e5 b\u00f6rjar man v\u00e4l k\u00e4nna att det ligger och puttrar lite.
\nF\u00f6rut tittade vi p\u00e5 Leo2 och halva Europa har dom och d\u00e4ribland l\u00e4nder som g\u00e5tt ut med att dom skall donera pansar till Ukraina. Blocken har varit att Tyskland inte har till\u00e5tit men dom har v\u00e4l \u00e4ndrat sig p\u00e5 den punkten?<\/p>\n

Abrams, F16, A-10 och Bradley? F\u00f6rsta lend-lease \u00e4r v\u00e4l n\u00e5n m\u00e5nad bort och skall v\u00e4l tillk\u00e4nnages s\u00e5 sm\u00e5tt men varf\u00f6r tr\u00e4na p\u00e5 F16 och ha en A-10 simulator om man inte kommer f\u00e5 dom?<\/p>\n

Archer har det ju ryktats F\u00d6R mycket om s\u00e5 dom kommer dyka upp i ukraina, s\u00e4tter jag en femhundring p\u00e5.<\/p>\n

CV90\u2026 dom finns ju ocks\u00e5 i ett par stora givarl\u00e4nder, Estland, Finland och Danmark tex. I alla fall Danmark har signalerat att dom skall donera mer tunga offensiva vapen (v\u00e4l). Nederl\u00e4nderna har ocks\u00e5 lovat PANSAR till Ukraina och dom har rej\u00e4lt med CV90.<\/p>\n

Det \u00e4r den st\u00e4ndiga \u2013 vi kan inte avvara CV90 eller dom skulle inte g\u00f6ra n\u00e5gon skillnad, vi b\u00e5de kan och dom skulle g\u00f6ra skillnad, och jag hoppas julaftonsmycket p\u00e5 att dom \u00e4r p\u00e5 v\u00e4g \ud83d\ude42
\nSen har ni marknadsf\u00f6ringen b\u00e5de f\u00f6r CV90 nu n\u00e4r hela NATO skall nyutrustas och sen reklamen f\u00f6r landet Sverige, f\u00f6r CV90 KOMMER g\u00f6ra skillnad. Den \u00e4r v\u00e4l allm\u00e4nt ansedd som den b\u00e4sta IFV p\u00e5 marknaden idag?
\nVarf\u00f6r \u00e4r ju inte sv\u00e5rt att f\u00f6rst\u00e5, den bl\u00e5ser fram i ett pilregn som kan sl\u00e5 ut \u00f6ststatspansar om den tr\u00e4ffar r\u00e4tt, vem vill inte ha en s\u00e5n som splitterskydd ist\u00e4llet f\u00f6r det glorifierade mj\u00f6lkpaketet M113.
\nM113, Warrior, Bradley osv. st\u00e5r sig ju sl\u00e4tt i j\u00e4mf\u00f6relse, speciellt Warrior \u00e4r m\u00e4rklig, h\u00e4ftigaste namnet ever och en 7.62\u2026<\/p>\n

Det irriterar mig riktigt rej\u00e4lt (positiv irritation) att v\u00e4st \u00e4r s\u00e5 sega med pansar och man har ju hoppats\/gissat att allt redan funnits p\u00e5 plats men en sak kan vi nog enas om, bilf\u00f6rs\u00e4ljarna i Ukrainas ledning har blivit tystare och tystare kring MBT p\u00e5 senare tid\u2026
\nNu har vi det st\u00e4ndiga \u2013 Ukraina har inte kapaciteten, inte tr\u00e4ningen osv. Om vi tar kapaciteten s\u00e5 har vi v\u00e4l diskuterat att MBT \u00e4r den sista pusselbiten som saknas (ja F16 kanske men ryskt flyg b\u00f6rjar ju sky stora delar av Ukraina nu, inte bara v\u00e4stra delarna och man kan uppn\u00e5 luftherrav\u00e4lde med LV och mindre m\u00e4ngd flyg). Vid Kherson finns det redan i form av uppgraderade T72 med m\u00f6rkerstridsmedel. D\u00e4r \u00e4r ju 5th och 17th Tank brigades nu.<\/p>\n

F\u00f6r att stridsvagnar skall kunna fungera effektivt p\u00e5 slagf\u00e4ltet s\u00e5 beh\u00f6vs lutftherrav\u00e4lde, att dom \u00e5tf\u00f6ljs av splitterskyddat infanteri och g\u00e4rna ocks\u00e5 \u00f6vertag i artilleri. Dom andra tre pusselbitarna \u00e4r p\u00e5 plats p\u00e5 olika frontavsnitt, minst s\u00e5 i m\u00f6rkaste Donbass. Sen om dom har f\u00f6rm\u00e5gan att upptr\u00e4da i bataljonsstorlek, jag tror det f\u00f6r det f\u00f6rv\u00e4ntades ju v\u00e4rnpliktiga g\u00f6ra efter avslutad tj\u00e4nst i Sverige och det h\u00e4r landet har varit i krig i \u00e5tta \u00e5r och tr\u00e4nats av v\u00e4st lika l\u00e4nge + 5 intensiva m\u00e5nader av tr\u00e4ning nu och dom \u00e4r ganska pansartunga i man\u00f6verbrigaderna.<\/p>\n

Enligt rykten s\u00e5 har ju ryssarna d\u00e5ligt med pansarskott nu och allt pansar i f\u00f6rsvar, dom har v\u00e4l 1500 stridsvagnar kvar p\u00e5 ett ungef\u00e4r, \u00e4r ju m\u00e5l f\u00f6r m\u00e5ls\u00f6kande artilleri och den ammunitionen och eldr\u00f6ren finns det tillr\u00e4ckligt av. Ett mekaniserat anfall som f\u00f6reg\u00e5s av en f\u00f6rbek\u00e4mpning med m\u00e5ls\u00f6kande ammunition mot nedgr\u00e4vt pansar vars koordinater loggats fler g\u00e5nger om \u2013 det kan ju bara g\u00e5 p\u00e5 ett s\u00e4tt n\u00e4r infanteriet inte ens har tillr\u00e4ckligt av dom d\u00e4r ryska ny\u00e5rsfyrverkeri-pansarskotten som ser ut ungef\u00e4r som det som brukar skjutas mot polis i valfri f\u00f6rort p\u00e5 ny\u00e5r.<\/p>\n

Noterbart att i m\u00f6rkaste Donbass \u00e4r det mer och mer 1st Army f\u00f6rband och allt mindre ryska f\u00f6rband. Ukraina har laddat upp rej\u00e4lt kring Donetsk med man\u00f6verbrigader. Jag tror Argus n\u00e4mnde det f\u00f6r n\u00e5gra dagar sedan men nu s\u00e5g jag det p\u00e5 nyligen uppdaterade f\u00f6rbandskartorna, st\u00e4ndiga tv\u00e5an skall h\u00e5llas kriget ut \ud83d\udc4d <\/p>\n

Linjen Siversk \u2013 Bakhmut verkar nu bef\u00e4st med territorial och NG och samma uppe vid Kharkiv. Fokuspunkterna f\u00f6r Ukrainska man\u00f6verbrigader \u00e4r f\u00f6rutom m\u00f6rkaste Donbass, Izyum, Volnovakha och faktiskt Kherson eftersom dom verkar ha f\u00f6rst\u00e4rkt med en till pansarbrigad d\u00e4r.
\nRyssarna \u00e4r svaga vid Volnovakha, m\u00f6rkaste Donbass och Izyum s\u00e5 rimligen b\u00f6r v\u00e4l en av dom tre kunna bli f\u00f6rem\u00e5l f\u00f6r Ukrainskt intresse?<\/p>\n

Izyum \u00e4r ju lite av en given utg\u00e5ng d\u00e5 Ryssarna verkar vilja sl\u00e4ppa omr\u00e5det, skogen som hela armeer f\u00f6rsvunnit i blev v\u00e4l f\u00f6r mycket f\u00f6r dom till sist.
\n\u00c5terigen s\u00e5 \u00e4r nog m\u00e5let f\u00f6r Kherson uppn\u00e5tt, att f\u00f6rv\u00e4gra f\u00f6rbanden v\u00e4ster om Dnepr retr\u00e4tt, det har vi v\u00e4l tolkat som Fas 1 h\u00e4r?<\/p>\n

Vad som h\u00e4nder efter \u00e4r ju en \u00f6ppen fr\u00e5ga men att dom redan uppn\u00e5tt ett m\u00e5l av st\u00f6rre betydelse r\u00e5der det v\u00e4l ingen tvekan om? R\u00e4tt smart att l\u00e5ta en ammunitionstransport explodera p\u00e5 bron f\u00f6r att f\u00e5 till den d\u00e4r stora skadan dom hade sv\u00e5rt att skapa med sitt artilleri \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

En tanke jag haft h\u00e4r, tror ni att Ryssland kommer dra sig tillbaka fr\u00e5n Ukraina inklusive Krim och Donbass?
\nDom ser ju precis som vi ser att materiel b\u00f6rjar anl\u00e4nda och n\u00e4r den s\u00e4tts in \u00e4r det ett f\u00f6r\u00f6dande resultat \u2013 slutet \u00e4r ju oundvikligt. Nu vet vi att det \u00e4r en enorm tr\u00f6ghet i deras organisation men under h\u00f6sten kommer ju deras l\u00e4ge bli \u00e4nnu s\u00e4mre \u00e4n vad det \u00e4r idag och n\u00e5nstans kommer v\u00e4l Donbassrebellerna s\u00e4tta sig ned och v\u00e4gra krig och s\u00e4ga ja till EU? <\/p>\n

N\u00e4r dom g\u00f6r det \u00e4r ju Donbass of\u00f6rsvarat och sen finns det en landtunga ned till Mariupol som om den klipps s\u00e5 \u00e4r v\u00e4l en 60% eller s\u00e5 av Ryska BTG inringade?
\nInklusive de flesta av deras b\u00e4ttre f\u00f6rband, VDV, marines, spetznaz, lite Wagner, spaning och ett g\u00e4ng Gardes.<\/p>\n

Just nu tycker jag det ser extremt d\u00e5ligt ut f\u00f6r Ryssarna hur man \u00e4n vrider och v\u00e4nder p\u00e5 detta, \u00e4nnu d\u00e5ligare \u00e4n vid krigsstart d\u00e5 man k\u00e4nde att det h\u00e4r kommer dom f\u00f6rlora spektakul\u00e4rt. Sen har vi tr\u00f6gheten som garanterar att dom bara g\u00f6r som dom alltid har gjort \u2013 \u00f6kar niv\u00e5n p\u00e5 v\u00e5ldet och mer av samma \u2013 men n\u00e5nstans m\u00e5ste ju \u00e4ven en rysk h\u00f6gre officer f\u00f6rst\u00e5 att det \u00e4r slut?<\/p>\n

Jag fattar att dom hoppas p\u00e5 att Kina skall g\u00e5 all in ocks\u00e5 men chansen \u00e4r nog inte speciellt stor f\u00f6r det annat \u00e4n att dom g\u00e5r in och snor ett st\u00f6rre landomr\u00e5de i Sibirien nu n\u00e4r det \u00e4r of\u00f6rsvarat \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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10:36<\/h3>\n

Jag satt ig\u00e5r och t\u00e4nkte att Zelensky \u00e4r den b\u00e4sta president Ukraina kunnat f\u00e5, han \u00e4r ett ypperligt ansikte ut\u00e5t och f\u00f6r att h\u00e5lla ihop landet. De vanliga sura och buttra m\u00e4nnen hade inte gjort sig alls p\u00e5 samma s\u00e4tt.
\nSen kommer han sluta som alla andra stora ledare \u2013 blir inte omvald efter kriget \u2013 men f\u00f6rmodligen f\u00e5r han en plats i den h\u00f6gre niv\u00e5n i Europa som tack f\u00f6r detta.
\nKillen som spelade gitarr utan kl\u00e4der p\u00e5 TV var detta \u00e5rhundrades stora ledare.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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13:01<\/h3>\n

S\u00e5 h\u00e4r mindes jag det \ud83d\ude42
\nhttps:\/\/www.19fortyfive.com\/2022\/08\/spanish-leopard-2a4-tanks-wont-be-heading-to-ukraine-but-do-we-know-why\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Det skriver ju ocks\u00e5 denna artikel att det var, Tyska parlamentet skulle godk\u00e4nna.
\nSen kom Spanjorerna p\u00e5 att Stridsvagnarna inte var k\u00f6rdugliga, sant eller inte.
\nhttps:\/\/www.thedefensepost.com\/2022\/08\/04\/spain-leopard-tanks-ukraine-2\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Sen skulle Tyskarna skicka Leo2 men av det blev det inte mycket mer \u00e4n n\u00e5t \u00e5r eller tv\u00e5 senare.
\nhttps:\/\/bulgarianmilitary.com\/2022\/07\/21\/german-offer-to-ukraine-20-leopard-2-tanks-delivery-every-month\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Sen var det tr\u00e4ning
\nhttps:\/\/mil.in.ua\/en\/news\/ukraine-to-receive-leopard-tanks-for-training-at-first-reznikov\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Holl\u00e4ndarna har lovat att skicka pansar och dom har m\u00e5nga Leo2
\nhttps:\/\/kyivindependent.com\/uncategorized\/netherlands-to-send-heavy-weapons-including-armored-vehicles-to-ukraine<\/a><\/p>\n

Sen fick jag n\u00e4sta v\u00e4nda lite om bakfoten, Schweizarna hade tydligen blockat en Dansk leverans men det var inte Leo.<\/p>\n

Det var lite bilf\u00f6rs\u00e4ljare \u00f6ver Ukrainarna ett tag med MBT
\nhttps:\/\/www.pravda.com.ua\/eng\/news\/2022\/07\/25\/7360065\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Har inte orkat kolla k\u00e4llorna utan tagit l\u00e4nkar som reflekterat hur diskussionen har g\u00e5tt.
\nKan v\u00e4l vara s\u00e5 att det st\u00e4mmer att spanska Leo2 inte \u00e4r i dugligt skick, tog r\u00e4tt l\u00e4nge att kolla det dock.
\nTyskarna h\u00f6ll tillbaka ett bra tag men jag har f\u00e5tt f\u00f6r mig att dom nu inte stoppar tredje land fr\u00e5n att skicka Leo2 till Ukraina, r\u00e4tt eller fel \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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