{"id":7075,"date":"2022-11-30T07:51:57","date_gmt":"2022-11-30T06:51:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/2022-11-30\/"},"modified":"2022-11-30T07:51:57","modified_gmt":"2022-11-30T06:51:57","slug":"2022-11-30","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/sv\/2022-11-30\/","title":{"rendered":"2022-11-30"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>08:44<\/h2>\n<p>\u00c5terigen s\u00e5 bl\u00e5ser det h\u00e4r iallafall och det \u00e4r plusgrader men elpriserna \u00e4r 4.25kr.<\/p>\n<p>Ig\u00e5r l\u00e4ste vi att i SE4 har vissa kommuner\/omr\u00e5den s\u00e4nkt sin elf\u00f6rbrukning med 25%, en minskning med n\u00e5gra procent skulle ge kraftigt s\u00e4nkta elpriser enligt experterna. Man kan egentligen bara konstatera att elf\u00f6rs\u00f6rjningen \u00e4r ickefungerande som den ser ut idag. S\u00e5 fort en reaktor pausas, det inte \u00e4r full storm eller temperaturer under +10 grader skenar elpriserna. Ett m\u00e5nadssnitt p\u00e5 dagens elpris blir en mycket h\u00f6g elr\u00e4kning Dec-Feb och d\u00e5 kan v\u00e4l elpriset vara \u00e4nnu h\u00f6gre, jag skulle f\u00e5 30 000kr + eln\u00e4tsr\u00e4kningen till exempel.<\/p>\n<p>F\u00f6rstod ocks\u00e5 varf\u00f6r det \u00e4r s\u00e5 h\u00f6g f\u00f6rbrukning med bergv\u00e4rme, ytan \u00e4r  rimliga 300m2 men h\u00f6gt i tak, framf\u00f6rallt p\u00e5 nederv\u00e5ningen d\u00e4r det v\u00e4l \u00e4r \u00f6ver 5m i tak s\u00e5 volymen blir r\u00e4tt stor. Det blir en r\u00e4tt stor luftpelare som skall v\u00e4rmas upp. F\u00f6r framtida installation funderar jag p\u00e5 om golvv\u00e4rme p\u00e5 nederv\u00e5ningen inte vore smart, har alltid t\u00e4nkt p\u00e5 det som en \u201dlyxprodukt\u201d men d\u00e5 b\u00f6rjar v\u00e4rmen under f\u00f6tterna och letar sig upp\u00e5t i hela huset s\u00e5 man f\u00e5r maximal utdelning p\u00e5 den v\u00e4l?<\/p>\n<p>Sen slog det mig ig\u00e5r att Frankrike har 56 k\u00e4rnkraftverk, UK skall bygga nya, Polen skall bygga nya och Finland har en reaktor snart i drift. Varf\u00f6r vi l\u00e4gger ned har jag sv\u00e5rt att f\u00f6rst\u00e5 n\u00e4r det finns vad\u00e5, n\u00e5t hundratal k\u00e4rnkraftverksreaktorer i Europa?<br \/>\nDet enda rimliga \u00e4r att bygga nya i \u00f6verg\u00e5ngsperioden tills man har listat ut hur man skall f\u00e5 stabil f\u00f6rnyelsebar energi, batterier k\u00e4nns som en viktig komponent i systemet. Att byta k\u00e4rnkraft mot nedlagd elintensiv industri och en befolkning hos kronofogden var nog ett av det h\u00e4r \u00e5rhundradets s\u00e4msta beslut.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>08:52<\/h3>\n<p>Vi vet sedan tidigare att eln\u00e4tsbolagen tog betalt men inte underh\u00f6ll som man v\u00e4l trodde att dom gjorde.<br \/>\n\u00c5ren med st\u00e4ndigt dubblade eln\u00e4tspriser minns v\u00e4l alla, good old times n\u00e4r eln\u00e4tsr\u00e4kningen var den som sved\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Elproducenterna har v\u00e4l noll incitament till n\u00e5n typ av robin hood f\u00f6r Sverige, dom tackar och tar emot.<br \/>\nVattenkraft bygger man v\u00e4l inte ut s\u00e5 v\u00e4rst enkelt och vindkraften \u00e4r j\u00e4tteinvesteringar. Man kanske g\u00e5r in i andra energislag och bygger solcellsparker?<br \/>\nEller s\u00e5 tar man hela vinsten och bygger upp en stabil plattform med fastigheter d\u00e4r el-baronerna hur ut till den nya elunderklassen som f\u00e5tt g\u00e5 fr\u00e5n hus och hem.<\/p>\n<p>Marknaden \u00e4r avreglerad och varenda svensk med lite mark och cash kan ju bygga sig en solcellspark och bli elbaron men nog \u00e4r det sv\u00e5rt att t\u00e4nka sig n\u00e5gon annan aff\u00e4rside d\u00e4r man kunnat tiodubbla vinsten allt annat lika \u00f6ver tre \u00e5r.<\/p>\n<p>Slutsatsen kan bara bli att vind och solkraft har haft en episkt bra lobby som lyckades f\u00e5 staten att beg\u00e5 energisj\u00e4lvmord vilket ledde till tiodubblade vinster f\u00f6r dom.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>09:31<\/h3>\n<p>Ja det var lite po\u00e4ngen och du har skrivit det tidigare, det spelar ingen roll vad vi g\u00f6r f\u00f6r efterfr\u00e5gan fr\u00e5n Europa \u00e4r h\u00f6gre.<\/p>\n<p>Det enda rimliga \u00e4r handen p\u00e5 exportkranen s\u00e5 staten kan \u00e5terta m\u00f6jligheten att styra mot riktpriset.<br \/>\nEU har \u00f6ppnat f\u00f6r det men tydligen var inte Sveriges regering s\u00e5 pigga p\u00e5 det.<\/p>\n<p>L\u00e5t mig chansa p\u00e5 varf\u00f6r \u2013 lobbyn fr\u00e5n de nya elbaronerna \u00e4r enorm, dom vill v\u00e4l inte g\u00e5 fr\u00e5n 5kr\/kwh till 75\u00f6re\/kwh, dom har nu f\u00e5tt smak p\u00e5 cash.<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e4r man kom hit s\u00e5 f\u00f6rst\u00e5r man vilken skenande korruption det \u00e4r i elmarknaden. F\u00f6rst st\u00e4nger vi all statlig (v\u00e5r!!) reglerkraft s\u00e5 privata akt\u00f6rer kan tiodubbla vinsterna \u00f6ver en natt.<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e4refter mots\u00e4tter man sig att minska exporten s\u00e5 att priserna g\u00e5r ned till riktpriset p\u00e5 75\u00f6re\/kwh f\u00f6r d\u00e5 g\u00f6r inte elproducenterna enorma vinster l\u00e4ngre.<\/p>\n<p>Det verkar inte vara n\u00e5gon som g\u00f6r det som \u00e4r b\u00e4st f\u00f6r Sverige h\u00e4r.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>09:44<\/h3>\n<p>Elintensiv industri och jordbruket \u00e4r de som ligger s\u00e4mst till.<br \/>\nBoende i Norrland f\u00f6r d\u00e4r \u00e4r det -20grader nu och f\u00e5r dom elpriser som i s\u00f6der kan det nog bli dyrt att h\u00e5lla sig varm.<\/p>\n<p>Jag tycker precis som du att alla norrl\u00e4nningar och b\u00f6nder f\u00e5r skylla sig sj\u00e4lva, let them freeze \ud83d\udc4d<\/p>\n<p>Sen alla med fritidshus i Sverige som har direktverkande el, en fet extrakostnad.<br \/>\nelbils\u00e4garna?<\/p>\n<p>Alla st\u00f6rre hus b\u00f6r egentligen ha fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rme om dom ligger inom radien f\u00f6r det och fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rmebolagen jobbar \u00f6vertid just nu f\u00f6r det har nog alla med st\u00f6rre hus b\u00f6rjat f\u00f6rst\u00e5, varf\u00f6r betala 4kr\/kwh timme n\u00e4r man kan betala 40\u00f6re\/kwh.<br \/>\nLigger man lite utanf\u00f6r har man v\u00e4l tr\u00e4d p\u00e5 sin stora tomt och kamin och en yta f\u00f6r solceller?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-2\">\n<h4>09:45<\/h4>\n<p>Viss ironi i stycke tv\u00e5 om det inte var tydligt.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>09:57<\/h3>\n<p>Min slutsats blev fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rme, det g\u00e5r inte att anv\u00e4nda de vanliga l\u00f6sningarna som bergv\u00e4rme eller luft-vatten, luft-luft pump n\u00e4r priserna \u00e4r s\u00e5 pass h\u00f6ga. Solceller f\u00e5r vi inte installera p\u00e5 taket, fick vi inte i v\u00e5rt f\u00f6rra hus heller faktiskt i villaomr\u00e5de i stockholm.<\/p>\n<p>Vi skulle kunna byta ut pannan som verkar ha n\u00e5gra \u00e5r p\u00e5 nacken men d\u00e5 l\u00e4gger jag hellre den kostnaden p\u00e5 installation av fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rme och reducerar kostnaden per kwh med 90%. <\/p>\n<p>Har l\u00e4st p\u00e5 om energiglas efter n\u00e5gon v\u00e4nlig sj\u00e4l i tr\u00e5den och funderar p\u00e5 att ha det p\u00e5 n\u00e5gra f\u00f6nster.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>11:10<\/h2>\n<p>F\u00f6rsta testet kommer slutet n\u00e4sta vecka. D\u00e5 kan det bli -15 grader i s\u00f6dra Sverige och -30 grader i norra delarna.<\/p>\n<p>Nu \u00e4r inget linj\u00e4rt men priset fyrdubblades n\u00e4r temperaturen sj\u00f6nk med 10 grader sist det begav sig.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c4r hursomhelst trygg \u00f6ver elst\u00f6det p\u00e5 50\u00f6re\/kwh som betalas senast i Februari.<br \/>\nVild gissning \u00e4r att dom f\u00f6rst\u00e5tt att dom inte kan finansiera ett pristak.<\/p>\n<p>Dags att b\u00f6rja fingra p\u00e5 exportkranen f\u00f6r annars har vi nog den st\u00f6rsta f\u00f6rm\u00f6genhetsomf\u00f6rdelningen i modern tid denna vinter och \u00e4garna till elbolagen blir v\u00e5r nya \u00f6verklass i hela landet n\u00e4r medborgarna tagit alla sina besparingar f\u00f6r lyxen att kunna ha 18 grader inomhus.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>11:44<\/h3>\n<p>Eftersom man g\u00f6r \u00e5t 60% av \u00e5rskonsumtionen vintertid n\u00e4r priserna \u00e4r h\u00f6gst f\u00f6r att det inte bl\u00e5ser s\u00e5 ser jag inte hur priserna inom 10-15 \u00e5r kan g\u00e5 ned till fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rmepriser, 40-50\u00f6re\/kwh.<br \/>\nVi beh\u00f6ver investera i ett annat energislag \u00e4n vindkraft f\u00f6r att komma dit v\u00e4l?<\/p>\n<p>Kollade upp vad p\u00e5slaget blir n\u00e4sta \u00e5r f\u00f6r fj\u00e4rrv\u00e4rme d\u00e4r vi bor, 1.3\u00f6re\/kwh.<br \/>\nSenaste 2-3 \u00e5ren har priserna f\u00f6r el v\u00e4l minst femdubblats?<\/p>\n<p>Det f\u00e5r v\u00e4l anses vara tillr\u00e4ckligt l\u00e5ng tidshorisont och om det dessutom ligger priset p\u00e5 5-6-7-8kr i den andra v\u00e5gsk\u00e5len \u00e4r det v\u00e4l ett enkelt val, installationen har betalat sig p\u00e5 en kall vinter?<\/p>\n<p>\u00c4r dock nyfiken p\u00e5 vilka kontrakt man f\u00f6rbinder sig till f\u00f6r i min v\u00e4rld kan man v\u00e4l ha kopplingarna kvar f\u00f6r att g\u00e5 tillbaka till annan uppv\u00e4rmning om det blir nya tider?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>08:44 \u00c5terigen s\u00e5 bl\u00e5ser det h\u00e4r iallafall och det \u00e4r plusgrader men elpriserna \u00e4r 4.25kr. 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