{"id":8066,"date":"2023-08-21T08:59:11","date_gmt":"2023-08-21T06:59:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/2023-08-21\/"},"modified":"2023-08-21T08:59:11","modified_gmt":"2023-08-21T06:59:11","slug":"2023-08-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johanno1.se\/sv\/2023-08-21\/","title":{"rendered":"2023-08-21"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-0\">\n<h2>10:53 \u2013 Johan No.1<\/h2>\n<p>Det var en mycket bra strategisk kommunikation d\u00e4r Zelensky satt och m\u00f6s i F-16 och s\u00e5g heln\u00f6jd ut och d\u00e4r man r\u00e4knade hur m\u00e5nga som skulle komma innan ny\u00e5r \u2013 ypperligt.<br \/>\nVi f\u00e5r hoppas att det f\u00f6ljs upp med Taurus och mer Storm shadows.<\/p>\n<p>USA har helt klart satt sig i baks\u00e4tet och jag fick intrycket av att SE, holl\u00e4ndarna och Danmark har drivit det h\u00e4r h\u00e5rt sj\u00e4lva \u2013 all heder \u00e5t alla tre.<\/p>\n<p>Norge som tj\u00e4nat enormt p\u00e5 oljan under det h\u00e4r kriget v\u00e4ljer att s\u00e4lja sina F16 ist\u00e4llet f\u00f6r att skicka till Ukraina \u2013 dom b\u00f6rjar segla upp som en fokuskandidat h\u00e4r men jag kanske inte har hela bilden.<\/p>\n<p>USA skulle kunna skicka tusentals Bradley och Abrams och sv\u00e4rmar med Tomahawk och F-16 men g\u00f6r det inte. Dom har v\u00e4l sina sk\u00e4l och EU f\u00e5r steppa upp ist\u00e4llet.<\/p>\n<p>Ocks\u00e5 hysterisk roligt d\u00e4r han erbj\u00f6d sig att ge tillbaka Belgorod till ryssarna f\u00f6r NATO medlemskapet.<\/p>\n<p>Allt \u00e4r signalpolitik till Putin, s\u00e5 h\u00e4r l\u00e5ngt har han till och med v\u00e5gat borda internationella sj\u00f6transporter i svarta havet s\u00e5 v\u00e4st har helt klart inte visat klorna tillr\u00e4ckligt.<\/p>\n<p>Kom ist\u00e4llet med en ny lista p\u00e5 ryssar som skall till Haag, hitta n\u00e5gra hundra miljarder till av oligarkpengar (vilket Schweiz verkar ha gjort\u2026) och utannonsera det krigsvinnande vapenpaketet som aldrig kommer beh\u00f6va levereras.<br \/>\nDet \u00e4r i den svarta m\u00f6rka hoppl\u00f6sheten palatskupper f\u00f6ds och g\u00f6r dom inte det kanske en halvmiljon nymobiliserade v\u00e4ljer liv och g\u00e5r mot Moskva ist\u00e4llet.<\/p>\n<p>Allt detta \u00e4r bra.<\/p>\n<p>Det d\u00e5liga \u00e4r att v\u00e4stmedia nu verkar ha kantrat helt och \u00e5terger ryska narrativet som pumpas ut inte bara i sin helhet utan skriver ocks\u00e5 sina egna versioner p\u00e5 det.<\/p>\n<p>Det ger Putin legitimitet p\u00e5 hemmaplan f\u00f6r rysk media kan bara \u00e5terge WAPO, CNN, NYT och s\u00e5 vidare och skriva att \u201dUSAs s\u00e4kerhetstj\u00e4nst skriver att\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Hur USA nu kunde veta UA f\u00f6rluster n\u00e4r UA \u00e4r dom enda p\u00e5 plats och s\u00e4ger att dom \u00e4r topphemliga \u2013  det skulle dom egentligen beh\u00f6va f\u00f6rklara tycker jag.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/euromaidanpress\/status\/1693080913163461024?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/euromaidanpress\/status\/1693080913163461024?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Har nu suttit med den d\u00e4r R\u00f6pcke diskussionen ett tag som spritt sig till andra och dom drar hela tiden fram \u201dl\u00e4s vad oberoende WAPO skriver, dom \u00e4r p\u00e5 plats och inte partiska som Ukraina\u201d, \u201dl\u00e4s vad NYT skriver, h\u00f6g trov\u00e4rdighet\u201d.<br \/>\nDet \u00e4r en enorm PR win f\u00f6r Ryssland alla dom h\u00e4r artiklarna. Man kan tillskriva dom h\u00e4r publikationerna r\u00e4tt mycket just nu, dom g\u00e5r rysslands \u00e4renden vare sig dom avsett det eller inte.<\/p>\n<p>Samma som han NATO spr\u00e5kr\u00f6ret som tyckte att Ukraina skulle avst\u00e5 land och k\u00e4nde sig missf\u00f6rst\u00e5dd.<\/p>\n<p>Har inga av dom h\u00e4r personerna haft ett riktigt jobb d\u00e4r man f\u00e5tt l\u00e4ra sig att det man s\u00e4ger har konsekvenser?<\/p>\n<p>Det var uppe lite hur kul det \u00e4r att l\u00e4sa bloggen, vi har v\u00e4l alla blivit bittrare ju l\u00e4ngre kriget p\u00e5g\u00e5r. Inte f\u00f6r att offensiven inte g\u00e5r som den skall utan f\u00f6r att kriget som s\u00e5dant forts\u00e4tter i all sin fruktansv\u00e4rdhet.<\/p>\n<p>Min tanke \u00e4r att f\u00f6r att beh\u00e5lla ett h\u00f6gt intresse f\u00f6r ukrainakriget m\u00e5ste det k\u00e4nnas meningsfullt och ett bra debattklimat bidrar nog r\u00e4tt mycket till det.<\/p>\n<p>Jag har m\u00e5nga g\u00e5nger k\u00e4nt att det inte passar att driva med och sk\u00e4mta sig fram\u00e5t i det h\u00e4r absolut fasansfulla kriget och Dengamle drog sig v\u00e4l undan i sitt gryt ett tag f\u00f6r han k\u00e4nde det ocks\u00e5 men kom som tur var tillbaka. Det har varit andra som har troppat av bitvis ocks\u00e5 men dykt upp igen, och det \u00e4r ett par som blir allt bittrare.<\/p>\n<p>Men sen t\u00e4nker jag att om alternativet \u00e4r att det blir d\u00f6d och gr\u00e5t ist\u00e4llet som proryssarna direkt kan v\u00e4nda till att driva sitt narrativ och m\u00e5nga tr\u00f6ttnar s\u00e5 \u00e4r det b\u00e4ttre att tr\u00e5den lever och sprider information om vad som verkligen h\u00e4nder p\u00e5 marken i Ukraina p\u00e5 det s\u00e4tt tr\u00e5den fungerar b\u00e4st med.<\/p>\n<p>Det ryska narrativet verkar hela tiden ha \u00f6vertaget, just nu paraderas det i hela v\u00e4stmedia och Ukraina g\u00f6r vad dom kan men hur h\u00f6gt sm\u00e4ller deras dagliga rapporter mot CNN, BBC, WAPO, NYT och GP?<br \/>\nDen h\u00e4r plattformen \u00e4r v\u00e4l r\u00e4tt unik s\u00e5 till vida att proryssarna inte lyckas manipulera den och man beh\u00f6ver inte ha kommit ut fr\u00e5n sina f\u00f6r\u00e4ldrars k\u00e4llare och slutat spela rise och nations f\u00f6r att f\u00f6rst\u00e5 att det \u00e4r moderering inp\u00e5 morgontimmarna av LW som tillser det.<\/p>\n<p>I alla andra forum sitter det fem nyanser av proryssar och dr\u00e4nker all vettig kommunikation i den h\u00f6gre skolan av manipulation som vanliga engagerade UA supportrar inte klarar av att hantera.<\/p>\n<p>Har ni noterat att UA nu trycker p\u00e5 mot N om Horlivka?<br \/>\nDet betyder att dom projicerar ett hot mot Horlivka som RU m\u00e5ste parera genom att k\u00f6ra in f\u00f6rsvar dit. Med lite tur sv\u00e4ljer det en hel del av tillg\u00e4ngliga reserver.<\/p>\n<p>Man skall ha mycket klart f\u00f6r sig att Ukraina just nu g\u00f6r det dom klarar.<br \/>\nDom har g\u00e5tt all in och deras mest skyddsv\u00e4rda resurser rensar ut v\u00e4rnsystem just nu och tar f\u00f6rluster.<\/p>\n<p>V\u00e4st spelar ett h\u00f6gt spel f\u00f6r ingenting \u00e4r f\u00f6r evigt i Ukraina och rysk p\u00e5verkan ligger och puttrar under ytan.<\/p>\n<p>Jag hade aldrig f\u00f6rlitat mig s\u00e5 h\u00e4r pass p\u00e5 att Ukraina skulle kunna g\u00f6ra det om\u00f6jliga om jag var valfritt land i v\u00e4st. Jag hade dragit till med rej\u00e4la s\u00e4kerhetsmarginaler och framf\u00f6rallt hade jag skickat s\u00e5 in i helsikes med robotar.<\/p>\n<p>Sen har vi s\u00e5klart under-bussen-Kina d\u00e4r under bussen \u00e4r att dom inte aktivt st\u00f6der landavtr\u00e4delse eller rysk vinst, det v\u00e5gar dom inte.<\/p>\n<p>Men dom f\u00f6rser naturligtvis Ryssland med s\u00e5 mycket vapen dom v\u00e5gar, detta skrev vi mycket kring 2022.<br \/>\nDet d\u00e4r \u00e4r en annan svaghet fr\u00e5n v\u00e4st att man helt v\u00e4nder bort blicken fr\u00e5n Kinas aktiva deltagande.<br \/>\nJag tror mig f\u00f6rst\u00e5 s\u00e5 pass mycket att det \u00e4r klart att Ryssland och Kina kommer h\u00e5lla p\u00e5 tills det tar stopp.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/kyivindependent\/status\/1693116766908461510?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/kyivindependent\/status\/1693116766908461510?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Nedan som Esset postade ig\u00e5r \u00e4r v\u00e4rd att p\u00e5minnas om, det har varit uppe tidigare att poster p\u00e5 Telegram s\u00e5 pratar ned d\u00f6da civila, torterade civila eller p\u00e5 annat s\u00e4tt v\u00e5ld mot ukrainare ofta f\u00e5r tiotusentals upptummar och skrattgr\u00e5t.<br \/>\nTill exempel han georgiern som dom band fast och ristade in ord i ansiktet p\u00e5 samtidigt som dom spelade fiol var mycket popul\u00e4r och stor m\u00e4ngd skratt.<\/p>\n<p>Har f\u00f6r mig att en diskussion om kastrering av ukrainska krigsf\u00e5ngar gav n\u00e5got liknande genm\u00e4le i ren julgl\u00e4dje.<br \/>\nN\u00e4r det n\u00e5gon g\u00e5ng i tr\u00e5den \u00e4r uppe n\u00e5got ut\u00f6ver det vanliga, han den s\u00e5rade som drunknade i ett grunt vattendrag till exempel, en ryss, s\u00e5 \u00e4r det ingen i tr\u00e5den som gl\u00e4ds \u00f6ver det alls<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimmySecUK\/status\/1693362411384824285\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimmySecUK\/status\/1693362411384824285<\/a><\/p>\n<p>H\u00e4r \u00e4r en diskussion kring att RU f\u00f6rmodligen inte har ett djupf\u00f6rsvar helt enligt hur tr\u00e5den resonerar.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/randymot4\/status\/1692891120588521700?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ\" rel=\"nofollow ugc\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/randymot4\/status\/1692891120588521700?s=46&amp;t=YqwFCDkjO-s77LGwR4GuQQ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>V\u00e5roffensiven rullar \u00f6ver ryss i grop med sin small size m\u00e4skdunk och han gillar det helt enkelt inte.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-1\">\n<h3>11:17 \u2013 MatsExtrude<\/h3>\n<p>Tragiskt att det kommer s\u00e5 mycket dumheter i v\u00e4stmedia. Trodde det skulle avta, inte eskalera.<\/p>\n<p>Undrar om det \u00e4r ett f\u00f6rsta tecken p\u00e5 \u201dkrigstr\u00f6tthet\u201d fr\u00e5n de som inte ens \u00e4r p\u00e5 plats i Ukraina? Hoppas verkligen att det inte sprider sig och risker att s\u00e4nka st\u00f6det. <\/p>\n<p>Hur kan det vara s\u00e5 sv\u00e5rt att f\u00f6rst\u00e5 att det snabbaste s\u00e4ttet att f\u00e5 slut p\u00e5 kriget \u00e4r att ge Ukraina allt de beh\u00f6ver? Som du \u00e4r inne p\u00e5, hur v\u00e5gar man chansa p\u00e5 att inte skicka allt?<\/p>\n<p>Tur att offensiven g\u00e5r som den ska i alla fall. Man g\u00e5r sakta fram\u00e5t och tar mark samtidigt som man maler ner ryssen. Snart r\u00e4cker nog inte ens m\u00e4skdunken till f\u00f6r att de ska h\u00e5lla modet uppe.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"import-comment import-comment-level-2\">\n<h4>12:48 \u2013 Johan No.1<\/h4>\n<p>Jo det \u00e4r mycket m\u00e4rkligt, jag slog i gongongen lite f\u00f6r tidigt ang\u00e5ende att Ryssland f\u00f6rs\u00f6kte prata omkull v\u00e4st och att dom misslyckats f\u00f6r just nu drunknar det ukrainska narrativet helt h\u00e4r.<\/p>\n<p>Absolut b\u00f6rjar det nog k\u00e4nnas hoppl\u00f6st hos m\u00e5nga i v\u00e4rnen.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>10:53 \u2013 Johan No.1 Det var en mycket bra strategisk kommunikation d\u00e4r Zelensky satt och m\u00f6s i F-16 och s\u00e5g [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,33],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8066","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ukraina","category-arkiv01"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - 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