Russian losses in Ukraine 2025-04-15

1180 KWIA
7 Tanks
20 APVs
68 Artillery systems
2 MLRS
2 Anti-aircraft systems
147 UAVs
210 Vehicles & Fuel tanks


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  1. A lot of armor again today. Some of them from Pokrovsk, which yesterday at 10 pm preliminarily counted the following losses (after 26 stopped attacks and two ongoing):

    According to preliminary information, 350 occupants were neutralized in the Pokrovsk sector today, 166 of them were irreversibly killed. Two tanks, one artillery system, one MLRS, 34 vehicles, 14 UAVs, two UAV control points, and two ammunition depots were also destroyed. In addition, six cannons and seven Russian vehicles were damaged.

    1. Good that they are biting into it, unfortunately not as visible on DeepStateMap.
      Interesting to see that the ratio between KIA and WIA is: 1:1.1.

  2. AFU: “In total, 99 combat clashes were recorded during the past day.
    Yesterday, the zagarbniki launched on the territory of Ukraine one rocket and 119 aviation strikes, applied one rocket and dropped 191 controlled aviation bomb. In addition, 3275 kamikaze drones were recruited to impress and carried out 6,590 shells on the positions of our troops and settlements.”
  3. Update from 08:00 on 15.04.2025 regarding the Russian invasion
     
    A total of 99↘️(158) combat actions were registered in the past 24 hours.
     
    #Kharkiv 0↘️
    #Kupyansk 1
    #Lyman 20💥
    #Siverskyi 3
    #Kramatorsk 4
    #Toretsk 11↘️💥
    #Pokrovsk 28↘️💥💥
    #Novopavlivka 7↘️
    #Huliaipil 0↘️
    #Orikhivsk 4
    #Prydniprovsky 3
    #Kursk 17💥
     
    In the Lyman sector, AFRF🇷🇺 attacked 20 times. AFRF🇷🇺 attempted to advance near the settlements of Nadiya, Nove, Katerynivka, Hrekivka, Zelena Dolyna, Torske, Bilohorivka, and Hryhorivka.

     
    In the Toretsk sector, AFRF🇷🇺 carried out 11 attacks near Ozaryanivka and Toretsk.

     
    In the Pokrovsk sector, AFU🇺🇦 stopped 28 attacks and offensive actions from AFRF🇷🇺 in the areas of Sukha Balka, Yelizavetivka, Lysivka, Kotlyne, Udachne, Kotlyarivka, Bohdanivka, and Andriivka.

     
     
    In the Kursk sector, 17 firefights took place yesterday. AFRF🇷🇺 carried out 56 air strikes, dropped 89 guided bombs, and fired 436 artillery rounds, including 26 from multiple launch rocket systems.

     
    In the past 24 hours, the defense forces’ 🇺🇦 air, missile, and artillery units targeted five areas with concentrations of personnel, weapons, and military equipment, two air defense installations, four command posts, eight artillery pieces, three radar/early warning system installations, and two other key Russian targets.

  4. “German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock: Putin’s goal is the destruction of Ukraine. True peace means standing with and defending Ukraine. The stronger the international support, the closer Europe comes to lasting peace.”

  5. The Chinese take advantage of Russia’s widespread corruption and do what they can to bribe their way into good deals in Russia. Sometimes they get exposed. 😀

    Machine translation: “A Chinese businessman transferred 20 million to the Novosibirsk governor’s election fund for “significant support” for an investment project, said one of the accused in one of the corruption cases in the region. But you are still a foreign agent.”

    This account reporting from inside Russia is only on Twitter:
    https://x.com/SibirPost/status/1912004322226733085

  6. “Explosive night in Russia: Over 30 blasts rocked Kursk due to a massive drone attack — Russian media. 115 UAVs reportedly targeted 5 regions across Russia, including Moscow oblast.”

  7. Japan’s problem with decreasing population continues.

    “The number of Japanese citizens is decreasing at a record pace. In total, the population decreased by almost 900,000 to 120.3 million during the past year up to October, reports AFP.
    Japan has increased the number of work permits for foreign citizens, but only on a temporary basis. At the same time, the country continues to maintain a strict immigration policy.”
    https://omni.se/rekordstor-minskning-av-japans-befolkning/a/Jbydmb

    1. Westley Richard

      Even South Korea and China are facing demographic problems with birth rates around 0.7.

      China has tried to counteract this by abandoning the one-child policy, but it does not have the desired effect. Approximately 10 million children are born each year, resulting in 10 million fewer working-age individuals and an increase of about 10 million retirees. The population will begin to decrease dramatically in a few years and will halve within 4 decades.

      The one-child policy was abandoned in 2016 in the hope that birth rates would increase, but instead they continued to decline.

      This should be kept in mind when looking at how China negotiates trade agreements with countries like Vietnam. They will have fewer workers and will seek cooperation with other countries with a growing population.

  8. “Donald Trump opens up to the possibility of deporting American citizens who have committed serious crimes to prisons in El Salvador.

    Trump says that laws must be respected but that there are also people who ‘hit elderly women in the back of the head with a baseball bat when they’re not looking.’

    – They are monsters.

    Trump says that he wants to move forward with the idea if the White House determines that it is legal, but according to law professor Erin Corcoran, it is legally impossible.”

  9. “A group of American import companies have sued Donald Trump’s administration and demand that the US International Trade Court stops sweeping tariffs against trading partners worldwide, writes Reuters.

    It concerns five companies that import goods from countries targeted by the Trump tariffs.”

    1. Weaker dollar and sky-high tariffs… this will be exciting to follow, I find it hard to imagine random Americans sitting and sewing shoes and clothes for pocket change in American terms.

      It will eventually come to opening the border to Mexico so that the US can bring in people who can handle the conditions in those factories… which probably won’t be in place until T has been rolled into the oven and burial has taken place.

      1. There may be some region in the USA that can do it, but it takes time and won’t be low-cost. In Sweden, for example, there is Woolpower in Östersund with Swedish manufacturing. In Europe, there are some textile industries left in Romania and Portugal. The average salary in Romania is probably around 15-20 thousand, so seamstresses are probably below that. Is it similar in the USA? The manufacturing cost may not differ so much if the seamstress’s wage is $1 or $7.25 per hour, which is the minimum wage in the USA. Check here how quickly she sews the parts together: https://youtu.be/pN2yLAtMDjg?feature=shared&t=640

      2. Westley Richard

        The entire clothing industry is facing challenges ahead. Now that AI has started scanning social media to look for trends so that production can quickly adapt, we may see an increasing consumption of clothes. For those who want to keep up with the trends, it probably means that the clothes need to be cheap so that they can buy a new set every month.
        Then we have the other end where companies like Woolpower operate, where function and quality are more important than fashion. There is still the opportunity to manufacture in high-cost countries. Whether Gucci is manufactured in Italy or China is irrelevant as it is a marginal part of the production.

  10. Operators of the “🇺🇦MURAMASA” unit, following the coordinates of the “🇺🇦Birds of the Magyar”, struck three FPVs at the 🇰🇵North Korean M-1978 “Koksan” self-propelled guns and other 🇷🇺Russian targets.

  11. Democrats in USA’s representantskammare introducerade lagstiftning på måndagen för att stärka Ukraina i dess krig med Ryssland, – Reuters ❗️ Ukraina Support Act skulle tillhandahålla säkerhets- och återuppbyggnadsfinansiering för Ukraina och införa kraftiga sanktioner mot Ryssland.

  12. “Trump backtracks again: Can make exceptions for car companies
    Donald Trump is considering possible exemptions from tariffs for vehicles and car parts to give the industry more time to adjust. He tells reporters at the White House, according to several media outlets.

    ‘I’m looking at something that would help the car companies with this,’ the president says according to Bloomberg.”

    1. Welcome to reality, don…
      Are you starting to understand that everything is not as simple as you think? Everything is connected, you see, it’s all connected. *Arms out* It hooks into each other, like a necklace. If the thread breaks, all the beads fall off, they all roll off. Weird. *Right index finger in the air*

  13. Based on this, one almost gets the impression that they are willing to accept Putin’s demands regarding the five regions as long as they themselves get access to the natural resources.

    “Trump’s envoy: Now we know Putin’s demands for peace
    – We have reached what Putin demands for us to achieve permanent peace, says Witkoff.

    According to him, it “took a while” to come up with Putin’s list of demands during the meeting, which lasted for almost five hours. Witkoff does not want to go into specific details about what it entails, other than that it concerns “five territories.”

    Witkoff also does not mention any counter-demands from the US side, but says that there are “convincing commercial opportunities” in the relationship with Russia that could lead to stability in the region.”

    1. Westley Richard

      One becomes a little worried when Putin has handed over his wish list to the Santa’s elf Witkoff. Santa Trump wants to end the war because he has promised his voters. What has Putin promised Witkoff and Trump in return?
      Trump, who likes to make bombastic decisions (which he often has to back away from), can make a wrong decision depending on how it benefits him personally.

      1. Yes, it is truly worrying. Trump seems to only care about what is best for himself first and the USA second, he doesn’t care at all about Ukraine.

        We’ll see what he will do, especially in the next step when Ukraine refuses to comply with the demands.
        He surely wants to secure the mineral deal first so he has that sorted before he then throws Ukraine under the bus.

        He is really pushing hard now to make it seem like Ukraine caused the war, implying that they have only themselves to blame so he doesn’t come across as too malicious.

        If he doesn’t even want to sell the Patriots for 15 billion USD, he will probably cut off everything if he doesn’t get his way. The question is whether he will also prevent Europe from trading weapons and if he will go so far as to actually benefit Russia by lifting sanctions, resuming trade, etc.

        Doesn’t feel good at all.

        1. I try to suppress the feeling that Trump is in Putin’s pocket, but time and time again I get it confirmed.
          It is said that Trump reacts on “instinct”, but then one would not always think that it would be in line with what one would expect from experience.
          I am starting to be of the opinion that regarding domestic politics, he gets advice from experience on how to dismantle democracy. Trump’s Europe and Ukraine policy are completely controlled by experience. The economic policy, on the other hand, is entirely based on Trump’s delusions.

          1. I do have an image of Trump, but I am trying to challenge it, yet I find it difficult to find anything positive in what he is doing regarding Ukraine.

            Attempting to get the US government’s finances in order by reducing expenses and increasing revenue is something that should have been done a long time ago, but the way he chooses to try to do it feels almost catastrophic.

            Furthermore, when he talks about wanting to serve another term, one can’t help but suspect that he is inspired (and perhaps influenced?) by Putin. I hope I am wrong, but it doesn’t look good.

  14. Westley Richard

    Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine with what was presumed to be the world’s second most powerful army. The Ukrainians were considered plucky but far overmatched. Well, that was then.

    Three years on, most of that first, professional Russian army is dead or incapacitated. Most of its equipment has likewise been destroyed. The second, substitute Russian army of 2023-2024 is also now largely decimated. It was made up of a mix of convicts, hapless conscripts and recruits fighting for money, using equipment pulled from Soviet storage depots. They did not fare much better in terms of objectives achieved. So Russia is now on its third army in three years, a combination of highly compensated contractors, surviving convicts and North Koreans, a force almost entirely bereft of recognizable armor due to previous losses. The thirds appear to be hanging on but not accomplishing much. Ukraine is arguably on its second army (some say third) focused primarily on drone operators and those defending them, with some special forces and mechanized/artillery units. They are holding their own.
    But the larger lesson is that force generation during conflict may be more important in high tech war than who is available at the start
    http://www.thelowdownblog.com/2025/04/why-in-ukraine-wars-third-year-russia.html
    Interesting reading if you follow the link.

     

  15. The dollar and oil right now:
    USD -> Ruble: 82.09 down 0.2% (-27.81% since New Year)
    USD -> Euro: 0.88 down 0.16% (-8.87% since New Year)
    USD -> Yuan: 7.28 down 0.87% (+0.69% since New Year)

    Crude Oil: 61.63 up 0.17% (-27.92 in the last year)

  16. “On Russian Telegram: St. Petersburg smells like, well, Russia 😎 St. Petersburg is enveloped in the smell of sewage: residents of the Moskovsky, Vyborgsky, Tsentralny, Kalininsky, Primorsky, and Petrodvortsovy districts are complaining en masse about the persistent sewer stench.”

  17. A press conference with Chinese prisoners of war who fought on the side of Russia against Ukraine was held in Kyiv.
    Main statements:
    🔹 They signed a contract with the Russian army, although they had no combat experience;
    🔹 The Chinese claim that they did not kill the Ukrainian military.

    One of them was wounded and the other surrendered;
    🔹 One of the PoWs said that there were ten Chinese in his unit & two in the unit of the other one;
    🔹 POWs want to return home and hope that China will help;
    🔹 They assume that they served in the 7th motor rifle brigade of the Russian Ground Forces;
    🔹 When asked if they tried to escape, one of them said: “Control was strict”;
    🔹 While staying in a Ukrainian Armed Forces dugout, they likely came under a chemical attack. Ukrainian Defenders helped them hide and told them what to do;
    🔹 One of the PoWs said that his card, which received money for a contract with the Russian army, was used exclusively by Russians;
    🔹 They are satisfied with their treatment in Ukraine: “We are treated well. They also organized food for us from McDonald’s.”

    1. It wasn’t that much after all? 10 million is too much of course, but there can’t be any huge volumes of agricultural machinery for that money.

  18. Not being able to access all the information almost makes one conclude that they have something to hide and that they are actually guilty.

    “The Swedish Accident Investigation Authority has not been able to prove that the Chinese cargo ship Yi Peng 3 intentionally damaged the data cables in the Baltic Sea in November 2024, reports TT. China’s involvement has severely limited the investigation, according to the accident investigation authority. For example, Swedish investigators were only allowed on board the ship after a month and have not had access to the black box, electronic materials, or navigational systems, TT reports.” https://omni.se/kan-inte-bevisa-kabelbrott-kina-begransade-utredning/a/4B8paE

  19. Can one assume that all cases will still be appealed up to the Supreme Court and then be acquitted by the Trump administration?

    “Harvard became the first American prestigious university to formally oppose Donald Trump’s demands.
    “At least 60 universities have been warned that they may be next in line to lose hundreds of millions, or even billions, in federal funding,” he writes.

    “The major law firms Jenner & Block and WilmerHale have sued the Trump administration following an executive order directed at them and their clients. The firms claim that the government is trying to punish and silence expressions it does not like.

    “At the same time, the news agency AP has chosen to go to court after its journalists were barred from the White House in response to the news agency’s refusal to comply with Trump’s demand to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.”

    https://omni.se/analyser-flera-institutioner-slar-tillbaka-mot-trump/a/73G8v9

      1. It will probably come eventually, although it’s probably not entirely simple.
        Even Boeing buys a whole lot of different parts from all over the world when they build their planes, and I guess that China will probably want to try to do as much as possible themselves.

  20. Has it been planned for a long time, or is it a result of the tariffs? If it’s the latter, one might say that Trump has succeeded in this case and with a prestigious company as well.

    “Nvidia is set to build AI supercomputers entirely in the USA for the first time, the chip giant writes on its website. Two facilities will be built in collaboration with Foxconn and Wistron and will be located in Houston and Dallas, respectively. Production is expected to be fully operational within 12-15 months.”

  21. “At night, 🇺🇦Ukrainian military shot down 26/52 🇷🇺Russian UAVs, another 19 UAVs were lost in location due to EW action”

  22. “A grupp av brittiska parlamentsledamöter har föreslagit att den brittiska regeringen ska stödja skapandet av ett gemensamt brittiskt-ukrainskt center för produktion och utveckling av försvarsteknologier. Initiativet syftar till att påskynda vapenleveranser till Ukraina samtidigt som det skapar arbetstillfällen i Storbritannien.”

  23. U.S. Marine Corps veteran Corey Navrotsky has returned home for the last time. Corey died on October 27, 2024, during an operation in the Bryansk region, giving his life along with three other international volunteers. He was 41 years old. Lansdale and Ukraine are mourning the loss of a true hero.”

    1. This will not end well, it’s hard to believe that the USA will just stand by as they are pushed from 1st to 3rd place or even worse?

      The non-escalation doctrine will change rapidly

  24. Initiated an investigation? Wouldn’t it have been better to start extinguishing the fire? 🤔

    Automatic translation: “House is on fire in the village of Yegorovshchina in the Irkutsk region. The fire spread due to strong winds. According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, private houses and outbuildings caught fire. The prosecutor’s office has initiated an investigation.”
    https://x.com/SibirPost/status/1912095413122834776

  25. You will see on May 9th that RU is holding back a lot of new material, that’s my tip.

    “Why?” wonder all those who are not in the loop 😀

    1. Remember, Remember, the 5th of September!
      Johan No.1 Night, or also known as The Russian NATO Bonfire Night!

      Guy Fawkes, throw yourself against the wall! 😂

      1. I thought you had handed it over to me?

        Yes – we’re going for it on September 5th, it will be a blast in the Baltics, it’s decided 💥💥

  26. China –
    Exactly everyone has manufactured their most expensive “made in Italy” products in China.

    Apple must have production in China because that’s where the expertise and ability for large-scale production are.

    China is no longer about poor quality being cheap, so it will be interesting to see how this ends.

    The same should apply to the arms industry, I think?

    1. If the scandal ends with production having to move to the EU for real, there will likely be some inflation on luxury goods. Unfortunate for wealthy Russians who need Guzzi underwear.

      1. The production probably won’t be moved, right?

        Anything else could happen, including a buyer boycott.

        The Chinese move presumably aims to harm others, I think 😀

        It’s like declaring war to promote pirated copies.

        1. A possible scenario is that the brands are damaged, lose sales, and that the concerned corporate leaders promise to move production and also do so. Then I guess North Africans will have to sit and sew the bags in Italy.

  27. johanno.1337

    How should one interpret this then? JD Vance gestures “stop us, please!”

    https://www.dw.com/en/jd-vance-says-europe-should-have-done-more-to-stop-iraq-war/a-72250397

    According to Vance, it is “good for the United States” if Europe is more “independent” — allowing countries to “stand up” to US foreign policy decisions.

    “I think a lot of European nations were right about our invasion of Iraq. And frankly, if the Europeans had been a little more independent, and a little more willing to stand up, then maybe we could have saved the entire world from the strategic disaster that was the American-led invasion of Iraq.”

    1. En Vanlig Persson

      No, he doesn’t suddenly love Europe. I’m pretty sure it’s like this:
      All of Europe’s enemies (Russia, the current US regime, and the peace movement) are working hard for the countries in Europe to work more individually and less as a group. It’s always the same propaganda, we should have a state NATO, we should give the EU less power. That’s why Musk supports AfD, because they are against the EU idea. They want to divide.

      Right now, it’s about them wanting Europe to turn its back on China. If we do that, the US will give us lower tariffs. But they realize that they are not in a good position in the negotiation if they negotiate with the whole EU at once. They want to talk to each country individually.

      The EU needs to become more like a unity.

      1. Westley Richard

        Split and conquer.
        Better to show unity even if you are not always in agreement on all issues.
        The slightest opening and the superpowers will drive a wedge.

      2. China has imprisoned Gui Minhai, they were not so happy when the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to a Chinese, they were not particularly happy when Taiwan opened an office in Lithuania, etc. The admiration for China that is spreading actually makes me a little worried. I agree that the USA are not our best friends right now, but to list them as our enemies while China is not?
         
        Right now, the USA is good at pointing out Europe’s faults and shortcomings, it hurts but I don’t think it will divide us, I also don’t think it’s the intention even though Trump claims that the EU was formed so that Europe could take advantage of the USA. Demanding that we allocate 5% of GDP to defense is also not something that will divide Europe. However, if Trump’s plan is to push certain countries into the arms of the communist dictatorship of China and this will lead to division within Europe because other countries believe that democracy and freedom are more important, well, then he will probably succeed.
         
        A lot of what Trump and Co say about the USA is what they themselves are working on domestically, which makes me suspect that some statements about Europe are more directed at the domestic audience than at Europe. See, for example, immigration and deportations.

    2. ANDERS RYDEN

      Now, it was so that Saddam Hussein started selling oil in Euros instead of dollars.
      It was not popular at all in Washington.

      As I recall, even France accused the USA of being arrogant.
      Can it get any worse than France saying that?

      But sure, if Vance is okay with oil being traded globally in Euros as well, then we can be a bit tougher on the USA if we think they are going too far.

    3. I believe like Persson – Russia, China, and the USA all have one thing in common, that the EU does not become too strong.

      If one were short-sighted, one could guess that they have that policy based on the rearview mirror 😀

      I think it has to do with the fact that the EU would simply become too strong if we managed to solve all our internal problems.

    4. It is a rather surprising statement considering that it is true. Is it perhaps the case that he has been courted by the military-industrial complex sensing a decrease in the order backlog.

      1. I must answer myself here. Could it be that Vance is starting to see that the shit has hit the fan, and he is starting to distance himself from the yellow leader?

        1. After all, he is intended to be president when Trump eventually gets tired of destroying the world and wants to play golf, so it’s good if he hasn’t completely crashed everything by then, right?

  28. Westley Richard

    The government wants authorization from the parliament to enter into agreements with Peru for up to 12 Gripen aircraft from Saab. This is evident from the spring amending budget presented today, something that DI has highlighted. Additionally, they want approval from the parliament to sell four units of the Global Eye warning and control system to Denmark, also manufactured by Saab. According to DI’s information, the deal is worth up to 10 billion Swedish kronor. If the parliament approves the authorization, it is the Swedish state that undertakes to order and deliver the equipment.

    The Brazilian Gripen E apparently impressed the rest of South America. They outperformed the American planes quite impressively in the latest joint exercise.

      1. Westley Richard

        The market is large, most air forces in South America still operate with propeller planes. The UK halted the sale of Gripen to Argentina as they are still bitter over the Falkland Islands.

  29. Westley Richard

    After Sunday’s deadly Russian robot attack in Sumy, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wants to dismiss the governor of the region with the same name, several media outlets report. The information comes from a parliamentary representative who writes on Telegram, according to the news agency DPA. It has become a scandal in Ukraine after it was revealed that a medal ceremony for soldiers was to be held in the central parts of Sumy the same morning as the attack. Criticism has been that this gave Russia an excuse for the attack that killed many civilians. The governor in question, Volodymyr Artiuch, has admitted that the ceremony was to take place, according to Ukrainian media.

    https://omni.se/a/eMoVeO

    Perhaps not a very successful move by the governor to have a public medal ceremony.

    But it was still Russia that killed and injured many civilians.

  30. Westley Richard

    Greenland’s foreign minister has said it is seeking deeper cooperation with China and potentially a free trade agreement, – Newsweek
    https://bsky.app/profile/theukrainianreview.bsky.social/post/3lmubs5ixg22h

    Perhaps not a very successful statement, it only benefits Vance.

    Uncertain if they are autonomous enough to enter into such an agreement without Denmark’s approval.

    Denmark put a stop to the Chinese when they wanted to build an airport in Greenland.

    1. Trump is not completely off track on some of his key issues, but his way of trying to bring the matter to a close simply doesn’t work in the real world.

      China has very patiently advanced its positions for a long time, and the USA is not exactly at the end of its rope, but they at least feel that things are starting to get tough.

      Perhaps a smarter approach would have been to not threaten to invade Greenland as an opening bid?

      1. Westley Richard

        Trumps bombastic statement probably appeals to his core supporters while the rest of the world wonders if such behavior shouldn’t earn him a one-way ticket to a residential care home.
        A normal behavior would be to invite Mette to the White House and make it clear to her in private that the Chinese should stay away from Greenland.

          1. Westley Richard

            China is hardly threatening Greenland militarily, however, there is a risk of falling into a debt trap and of surveillance being built up under the guise of civilian activities.

  31. Westley Richard

    Russia Can’t “Win” In Ukraine Because It’s Breakthrough Mobility No Longer Exists

    To ‘win,’ Russia must seize more Ukrainian territory than it currently occupies. To seize more territory, it must be able to advance in ways that enable breakthroughs that drive Ukrainian forces back. To accomplish that, Russia must have fast moving, mechanized mobile units.

    And therein lies Russia’s problem: that mechanized mobility no longer exists. It has been squandered in multiple, heedless assaults across a variety of sectors in response to Kremlin demands for ‘victories’ by unachievable deadlines. The implication is that without those tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and mobile artillery, Russia has been unable to advance in any meaningful, strategic manner for months, if not a year. And it shows no sign of being able to do so anytime soon

    http://www.thelowdownblog.com/2025/04/russia-cannot-win-in-ukraine-because.html

    Russians on donkeys, motorcycles, and golf carts are hardly a spearhead in a blitzkrieg. It is possible that they can break through somewhere, but they must also be able to hold the flanks.

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