Ubåtskränkningarna och rysk subversiv verksamhet 26 September 2025 Submarine intrusions and Russian subversive activities September 26, 2025

The other day, thread participant Bal at johanno1.se reached a breaking point and got upset about the Russian environmental influence operation, you are reading the thread available in both Swedish and English.

No one is saying that we want to bring back the hole in the ozone layer or the acid rain – just that there are sensible things, there is a commercial fraud, and then there is a Russian influence operation simmering. When we shut down six fully functioning nuclear reactors, new electricity production needed to be built, right – good business for everyone except the taxpayers.

I was a bit inspired by Bal’s broadside and today I want to tell you about the submarine intrusions in the 80s where I myself commanded the destroyer Halland and the entire coastal fleet.

Since we now have the same situation with a very offensive Russia that has begun its sabotage, it is a bit easier for you to put it into context, I hope.

Sweden was politically and socially infiltrated by Russia, and no one really knew who they could trust outside their group of long-known individuals with something we usually call a verifiable CV when we hire. A deep blue faction to the right saw it as their highest task to protect the country from the Soviet Union, and they believed that they could stretch the limits of national security quite far. To the left, one was either far left deep red in Soviet solidarity, in the middle trying to balance realpolitik with the deep reds to the left, a bunch of defectors within their own organization, and then preferably survive the dark blues to the right.

The climax (or maybe low point) was a prime minister assassination, and then it gradually calmed down to a final major violation in the 90s where we chased away a Piranha – then and there, the Swedish submarine hunt was at its absolute peak and there was probably surprise that turned into full panic in the Piranha that was not supposed to be detected as it majestically glided over the seabed.

After Ingvar Carlsson took office, he was sleeping in the prime minister’s residence when two well-built men with short hair knocked on his bedroom window and waved before disappearing. The Prime Minister had just been shot, do you think that after that greeting, Ingvar dared to stick his neck out too much when whoever it was that wanted to influence him sent two operatives with the instruction to climb up on the roof, knock on the window, wake up the Prime Minister, and then wave friendly to him.

During the Cold War’s end, we had the world’s best submarine hunting as the Baltic Sea had been one of the hotter areas during the period, and we had received a lot of free training – but we started from almost zero and had to try to self-teach as best we could.

This meant that officers and employees at all levels tried to drive development forward with a limited budget, sometimes against political will and with an increasingly scrutinizing media.

Furthermore, the Armed Forces are a large pot of officers who all look suspiciously at any attempt by other officers to do something that would make them not look as good. Unless there is a war and the personnel pool is expanded with resourceful civilians, things usually continue in established tracks, and there are no problems in preparing for yesterday’s war.

The smallest mistake was on the 8:00 PM news for the whole of Sweden to see – you couldn’t get away with anything, and since mistakes happen all the time in an upward trend, there was a lot to criticize.

Allowing the navy to try to do its job in peace was something no one even reflected on, and when they tried to counter in the media by advertising their honorable work of protecting the country, every little effort was scrutinized in-absurdum. When they found something amusing like herring shoals or minks swimming around the microphones, it became the headline on the 9:00 PM news instead.

“Budget submarines” quickly became popular – the navy just wanted more money and made up the whole story. Everyone preferred to talk about mistaking minks for Russian submarines rather than our navy defending us against Soviet war-preparing sabotage according to the job description.

There are some highlights – one was when we were supposed to test an Italian submarine hunting torpedo that, after firing, made a wide turn and locked onto the ship that fired it, causing some panic on board.

It all started when a destroyer fired submarine rockets at a presumed offending submarine, and a damaged Polish submarine appeared just outside the territorial waters – or it signaled increased ambition from the Soviet Union and sent shockwaves through the Swedish navy.

Over time, we moved from trying to sink submarines to forcing them to surface instead, which worked sometimes but most of the time they managed to escape – which may have been a hidden agenda from some who advocated that approach, who knows?

When it all began, we were as poorly prepared as Poland is today in 2025 and tried to equip ourselves with patrol boats and minesweepers to create equipment that could see/hear underwater, detect hostile submarines, and intercept them. This was long before we almost got a clear picture of what lies beneath the surface that we are used to today – you could listen, and if you were close, try to see shapes deviating from the seabed.

At each incident, men in suits (or uniforms, I don’t know because on the destroyer Halland, we just sank everything so no one came) and all involved had to sign confidentiality agreements that they still consider themselves bound by today – I find it strange, but that’s how it is because we have tried to get witnesses to speak even anonymously.

Surprisingly few speak, and those who do try to be dismissed, and they often do not have the full picture. Yet, there were thousands of conscripts who witnessed incidents and had information that we would have liked to access.

For me, this is perhaps Sweden’s most important series of events after the assassination of Palme and something every journalist with a bit of pride should make it their life’s mission to unravel, but that’s not the case. After various journalists and media outlets concluded that everything was the USA’s doing, it’s dead.

Now my memory is a bit rusty, so there is a risk of a misstep as I write freely from memory.

I analyzed these violations in the Skalman forum for 3-4 years following the same principle as here – we have information from open sources to analyze and make reasonable assessments and put the pieces together.

Everything can be dismissed as “you have no evidence and are guessing,” but one never has indisputable evidence, and somewhere it is the assessment of reasonableness that matters. If one engages in honest debate, one will eventually arrive at a likely situation picture.

We did not have the luck as in the Ukraine war where Ukraine and Zelensky started talking, and we had our guesses confirmed almost immediately.

Everything was in a secret or quasi-secret archive where the latter means that you MUST say “no, it doesn’t exist” if asked.

Sometimes information was identified that we amateurs tried to declassify, but then that particular page was torn out when it was declassified – someone beat us to it. We guessed that others besides us were reading the Skalman thread and knew what we were looking for, so they hurried off to the archives. We had already done the work for them.

“If you look at the bottom of the page and see that they refer to the report *insert any report* and page 3. If we could get that declassified, we would know the nationality of the submarine that was sighted.”

After two months, Jan Björklund returns to the forum and announces, “I have been to the archive and got the report, but page 3 was missing.”

The Navy were like cowboys trying to learn submarine hunting, and it was a delightful mix of everything, for example, West German submarines were there as observers, and sometimes the Navy mistook them and tried to sink them.

Imagine the panic when the operations chief receives a call that the submarine he is about to blow to atoms is one of their own 😀

On more than one occasion, there was a need for a hasty interruption of an operation, which those lower down the chain perceived as Palme wanting to release a Soviet submarine. An operation against a submarine that was interrupted coincided in time with a call from the West German embassy to someone in the government or high military command, can’t remember which. The picture arises from piecing together various pieces of information that occurred during the same period.

The USA and UK were our allies, and the Soviet Union was our enemy actively preparing for war against Sweden.

I have evidence (as far as one can go) of a psyops operation involving our very own Carl Bildt, where they used an Italian mini-submarine and blamed the Russians, so we were not entirely innocent. Do you think the newspapers were interested in that scoop?

First a book by a former British submarine officer describing a Russian mini-submarine that matched an Italian Maritalia perfectly – it was a section in one of the chapters, the rest of the book was good.

An article in SVD by a journalist who later became Bildt’s press secretary about how a Russian submarine violation with a submarine that was exactly like the Italian one would unfold, the journalist had probably managed to find the book, and the article came with a highly detailed illustrated image.

This type of submarine was probably also a category in the Navy’s classification of submarine violations – I remember it was called “valryggen,” or at least that it fit the description very well.

Then a violation in Töre where they now had a book and a newspaper article that already described the Russian submarine behaving almost as if it wanted to be discovered. Then the submarine hunt was abruptly halted just as they were about to blow the crap out of the vessel, and everyone left to the army’s great irritation, which apparently was not aware that it was a double bluff.

There were two very different violations in Töre over a few years.

Then Carl Bildt jumped straight into the debate and made a big deal out of it to discredit the Soviets, get more resources, and something else I’ve forgotten. There are transcripts of his speeches from the early 90s.

I have all the clippings for all of the above somewhere, so nothing is guesswork – everything is in print.

As is well known, I am intellectually honest and wanted the truth, so I immersed myself wholeheartedly in this mess and was quite disappointed when no one cared – I thought the media liked to dig into things that could be traced back with a whole chain of evidence.

Hårsfjärden was Russian submarines with West Germans following and Swedish efforts dropping depth charges on everything they could find: wrecks, West Germans, Russian submarines, and the seabed. In addition, there are many confirmed violations, damaged Russian submarines, and surfaced Russian submarines (even if the latter is just words and we haven’t seen any film or photos of it).

The only thing I haven’t been able to find is the Russian dry submersible that left tracks on the seabed. We found a diving robot on tracks and a dry vessel that could possibly have track equipment, but there was no photographic evidence.

The tracks of the diving robot did not match the seabed tracks.

We don’t know exactly what they used for the seabed tracks, but that was my “smoking gun” – if we had found it, we could have linked the Soviets to the violations with the width and design of the tracks, as the tracks were well documented. A fingerprint, in essence.

I talked a lot with HI Sutton, who tried to gather information through his Russian sources and a guy who had a robotics zoo but later died in a motorcycle accident, unfortunately – we all came up empty.

We know they had diving hatches on Whiskey, dry submersibles with good range, launched sonars from the torpedo tubes, and had track-carrying robots for seabed work.

There were war preparations in our naval bases, coastal forts, and mine lines where mines were moved or cut off. They were supposed to enter through the archipelago, and one of the tricks was to violate further north or south with a submarine so that our submarine hunt would be drawn there, allowing the main force with the actual mission to slip in unnoticed.

Where U137 ran aground, there was an FRA listening station a few islands away, and their cable ran right nearby – I proved through empirical lab tests that the U137 grounding was not an accident but deliberate and a small mistake at the end. Many others said it was drunkenness.

The whole side that knew about it is bound by confidentiality agreements through the secrecy pacts, and those who were higher-ranking officers are starting to die off now.

Conscripts who were there can tell puzzle pieces but rarely the whole picture – and many choose to remain silent.

You never know who is spreading disinformation either; I have caught SÄPO trying to disseminate disinformation in the debate at least once.

And then you have a whole cadre of researchers like Tunander and other debaters who pushed forward all sorts of false leads.

I have a particularly strong dislike for the magazine Filter because I thought they wanted an honest debate before I understood their purpose. I was lured there by someone in the forum I trusted and fell right into the trap – they are, along with the devil, among the worst, rattlesnakes without a rattle so you get no warning.

At one point, authors latched onto the NATO track – for example, Jallai, and I am still angry with him after a discussion that ended with his not-so-honest words “I lean towards everything being NATO.” It sold many books, and even though the shame stings, I know the champagne and bundles of dollars probably soothe it, unfortunately, that bastard 😡

They weren’t minks or herring schools – they were Russian submarines. Of course, there were minks, herring schools, seabirds, seals, and fish in the water too, along with the Soviet submarines, but it wasn’t them violating us for warlike purposes 😀

There were also NATO submarines in the archipelago, but we didn’t try to sink them.

Minks do not try to start wars, they do not steal underwater mines or microphones placed under the water, and they also do not leave traces on the seabed as if a large excavator had been circling around at the bottom near our underwater mines located at the entrances to our inner archipelago.

The crew of U137 was not recklessly drunk, they were a few seconds (3sec – 8sec) late in making a final course change, which led to them running aground. They probably hadn’t been drinking either because Gugi had a four-man group on board along with a very high-ranking officer from the home base – I would guess they were sober.

Nevertheless, the media and our writers have managed to push out that image to the citizens of Sweden, so most people now believe that it was all a major American influence operation, and on the occasions when it couldn’t be covered up because a whole damn submarine ran aground – then it was by mistake, all the equipment was defective, or they were completely drunk.

If you try to engage in the discussion, you’ll have Tunander or Magasinet Filter coming after you, who are paid to talk you down while you’re sitting in your free time trying to get the truth out. Jallai has already won over everyone with his books, so no one is interested in the Soviet violations anymore.

One of the malicious disinformation debaters even pushed the theory that the CIA had equipment to remotely hijack U137 and ran it aground when they hijacked the steering with some secret equipment that only the USA had access to, radio waves or microwaves.

This was during a time when the Soviet Union believed that the USA would go to war with them – the early 80s were a very tense period because the USA did not realize that the Soviet Union seriously thought they would start a war and provocatively behaved as they always do.

During that time, the number of violations in our archipelago escalated, especially during the autumns when it was most difficult to identify submarines – they moved around in the storms and the equipment available couldn’t see/hear through different layers.

There are various players in this mess – one was marked with an S who wanted to protect his party, another was the navy that wanted to cover up their mistakes, a third was a Russian/Soviet influence operation to exonerate the Soviet Union/Russia, and a fourth was a Western influence operation marked by Carl Bildt in at least one instance.

It’s difficult to find the truth in all of this, but for me, it shows how dangerously effective Russian subversive activities are – they can rewrite actual history even though the truth is right there in front of you, impossible to miss.

They can also win wars like in the Vietnam War.

Then they can bring down countries like South Africa (which arguably deserved it), and it was also the Soviets who created the Israel-Palestine conflict, even though today Israel makes it easy not to like them.

Now, South Africa is a bad example because they got what they deserved, but after the government fell – how many of the groups that protested against Apartheid care about the country today?

They have had enormous problems with xenophobia against immigrants from neighboring countries and outright pogroms. Women are in danger, and crime is rampant – but no one cares.

In 1967, when things started to calm down, the Soviet Union deceived Egypt and Syria into believing that Israel would attack Syria – they falsified aerial images and other information.

In 1973, when Syria almost pushed Israel into the sea, it was with new Soviet equipment, and Israel had to make do with what they had.

The only reason Israel exists today is that they are as tough as Ukraine because just like with Ukraine, the Soviets managed to make the West very passive, but they underestimated how poorly the many Arab armies fought and how many Israelis chose life.

My guess is that if Israel were overrun and disappeared, no one would care about Palestine anymore, but that remains just a guess.

In Syria, Russia bombed everywhere to trigger refugee flows to Europe – the goal was to kickstart the refugee flows to Europe in 2015, which probably exceeded expectations.

Just as they tried to trigger Ukrainian refugee flows to Europe by bombing cities to pieces. The only problem they have is that the Ukrainian refugees learn the language and work, but they have tried to carry out Ukrainian and anti-Ukrainian attacks to stoke hatred – progress has been slow, only Poland really took the bait with its history with Ukraine.

It’s easier when they pay MENA migrants to decapitate an elderly woman in Europe, that stirs up emotions.

Burning Qurans in front of mosques or rubbing them with bacon – that has also worked very well for the Russians.

A year or two ago, some people with Russian contacts were arrested for painting anti-Semitic slogans on synagogues in France – swastikas and other symbols. During the Cold War, we now know that some neo-Nazism in West Germany was (partly) Soviet spies with felt-tip pens.

Do you remember those 2600 pro-Russian traitors that the FBI had a list of, where only 600 were in the USA?

Have you heard a single name from anyone in Europe?

Russia is a world leader in subversive activities, and many countries have lost their sovereignty or other things to this toxic knife.

Right now, it is aimed at Europe, it is a state priority, with political parties or politicians on its side, as well as gangs, numerous influencers, and the criminal clans who are also on the payroll.

In addition to spies and numerous sleeper agents who took the money and are bought off. There are parliamentarians in established parties all over Europe who receive Russian salaries.

We are poorly prepared, and Russian subversive activities are on a significant increase.

In my adult life, I have seen the political parties to the left of center shut down 6 nuclear reactors and invest everything in renewable energy in Sweden despite loud protests from experts. I also see how wind power operates at a significant loss and how electricity prices became very high, now just uncomfortably oscillating.

Do you remember when electricity prices skyrocketed across Europe for a few years – imagine if we had kept our nuclear reactors running until at least 2035, we would have become the Dubai of the Nordics with the revenue from that export.

All criticism of dismantling Europe’s best electricity production, which was also fully paid off, was met with “are you a climate denier?”

And it was only a few years before our extremely electricity-intensive arms industry needed to scale up because Russia attacked Ukraine, something they had planned for a long time 😀

The same across Europe – shut down predictable electricity production, make yourself dependent on Russian gas, and build a huge amount of unpredictable electricity production.

Then I sat in the front row when we were about to shut down our hydroelectric power and followed the debate that was stopped at the last second – I never understood why hydroelectric power was bad for the climate, and you don’t either because it wasn’t. It was the electricity production they were after, and it was the most important after nuclear power because solar and wind power are highly variable, but hydroelectric power is controllable.

Spain shut down its power plant dams and is now facing huge floods that everyone blames on the climate, but which are actually due to the disappearance of the dams as regulating functions.

The roll-on/roll-off port in Gotland without explosive boxes – another modern classic that is difficult to explain away.

Or Swedish peace in 2025 when we decided not to defend ourselves against invasion and then turn the traffic signs as a defense for peace in our time if we are invaded – they sit on TV and pronounce these words after three years of war in Ukraine.

I have heard Amnesty and the UN accusing Ukraine of the war for a long time, only to turn around and dutifully accuse Russia, while downplaying all Russian abuses.

Or a Germany that is so politically paralyzed that they dare not send even helmets in the first year – and then we know that half of the STASI got jobs in West Germany post-unification.

The military were climate deniers when they did not want to give Russia a hidden advance in the Baltic Sea from Kaliningrad with a lot of wind turbines that just happened to be located right where they would have been the best cover for Russia.

Or shutting down our cement production, our farmers having had a hell of a time for many years, that we should not have mining, and finally restore agricultural land to wetlands.

Uncultivated land is not a problem – only cultivated land should be restored to wetlands a few years before we enter a global conflict.

At the same time as we become dependent on Russian gas and oil without any protest from environmental movements (maybe you can shake some up), Greenpeace even marketed Russian gas as “clean air gas” or something similar.

Not everything is black and white, but anyone who does not see Russian fingerprints all over this is more than just naive. It is mixed with ideologues, those who want to protect the environment, career politicians, companies seeing good business, and overbought traitors.

Just as Russia managed to spin the narrative that submarine intrusions were an American influence operation or explainable mistakes without any intent when it could not be denied that the submarine belonged to the Soviet Union.

But when we try to make the world a better place, an absolutely enormous number of GRU employees in Russia are working tirelessly to crash our countries, coming up with all sorts of plans, some working well, some excellently, and some not at all.

During the Cold War, over 80% of the KGB budget went to this because the payoff was huge for a small price.

Nuclear winter scared us so much that we should not have nuclear power, but when nuclear-armed Russian submarines or cruisers enter the Baltic Sea, you don’t hear a peep from the usual suspects.

Or a modern classic – we all had these agreements against cluster weapons, thermobaric weapons, and mines, all of which have now been used by Russia in the war against Ukraine and have worked excellently. The best weapons of war.

We were heavily criticized and banned and scrapped these weapons, but Russia has kept everything in huge stockpiles, and none of those who criticized us went after Russia at all – completely silent.

Did we negotiate them away just for ourselves 😶

Do you know what has also been completely silent from peace and environmental movements – that Russia in Ukraine has used prohibited weapons throughout the war, polluting, causing environmental destruction, and committing Ecocide. Perhaps they have commented on it dutifully.

Or crimes against humanity, violations of international law, and all the heinous murders, rapes, tortures, mutilations, castrations that the sexual sadist-murderers engage in.

Again, Amnesty and the UN have dutifully condemned it when they had to. The Red Cross, when inspecting the Mariupol prisoners they promised to protect, reportedly stood and laughed at them in the cell doors according to released prisoners.

And the Mariupol prisoners who have survived have had an absolutely terrible captivity – the Red Cross persuaded Zelensky to capitulate in exchange for protecting the prisoners, which they never bothered to even try to do.

Peace movements and some debaters in Sweden have also tried to initiate a discussion that would lead to a ban on “killer robots,” by which they meant drone weapons. The drone weapon is the game-changer of 2025, and if you don’t have this weapon, you will be overrun.

Do you understand now?

By the way, do you know why Russia always tries to incite rabid communists, preferably at universities, to carry out armed revolutions?

Well, because that’s how Russia fell in the Russian revolution, in the late 1800s communism was a bit of a trend and it really took root in Russia, especially at universities, and then the country was doomed.

They use their own country’s fall as a blueprint for what they are trying to do with us.

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114 thoughts on “Ubåtskränkningarna och rysk subversiv verksamhet 26 September 2025 Submarine intrusions and Russian subversive activities September 26, 2025”

  1. Intense increase in attack intensity in the front sections of Toretsk, Polrovsk, and Novopavlivka, with the latter reaching a record level of 42 attacks.

    Distribution 183 out of 200 reported attacks by AFU:

    • N Slobozhansky-Kursk 9💥↗️
    • S Slobozhansky 3
    • Kupyansk 4
    • Lyman 20💥↘️
    • Siverskyi 7
    • Kramatorsk 6
    • Toretsk 16💥↗️
    • Pokrovsk 67💥💥💥↗️
    • Novopavlivka 42💥💥↗️
    • Huliaypillia 3
    • Orikhivsk 6
    • Dnipro/Prydniprovsky 0
  2. I will try to find time to read that Skalman thread, I really wanted to know more about the submarine intrusions when it happened, and I guess it has continued even more recently……
    Good post!

    1. Then you have two very interesting documentaries here:

      Mission Review summer – The Key to Hårsfjärden SVT 2013-07-11
      https://youtu.be/JUA_z0M9iro?si=78ExORL2ZT8sPD6i

      Submarines, Lies, and Sound Recordings
      https://youtu.be/kMltvzSIYdc?si=woQc2Son3j_MouHB

      If one thinks that it was only Russian submarines, then one is quite naive! Every nation with submarines, including the Russians, has been snooping around in our archipelago. The one who released green paint on the surface after receiving a mine hit is unlikely to be Russian.

      Furthermore, I believe that Jallai has more substance in that matter than some other authors, even though he may also be wrong.

      An interesting read is “Borgnäs Nation’s Interest.” Two politicians appear in the three biggest events of recent times. Carlsson and Bildt.

      Also, feel free to read Olof Frånstedt’s “The Spy Hunter,” where it is also evident that not only the Russians but also NATO were here testing us, which MI6 confirmed.
      “Oh, that submarine sound? But that’s one of ours!”

      1. Thank you, then I have some studying to do.
        I have read some of Jallai’s work, and thought a bit about how he seems to have access to a lot that others don’t. And what is real in the content and what is “artistic freedom”. Entertaining regardless.

        1. Jallai has, from what I’ve read on his website, close friends within the SÄPO and after a bet about whether he would find the DC3, he gained access to classified material. He was only allowed to read, not take photos, transcribe, copy, etc.
          But no one said that he couldn’t write novels with fiction mixed with some facts.

          He has also had deep interviews with Frånstedt, who also has a lot of information.

      2. Don’t you interpret it a bit differently?

        Who violated us is what’s interesting, not who was driving around in our archipelago.

        Who was here with our consent because they were allies is unimportant – in case of war, all states planned to hide their submarines in our archipelago.

        The point of Jallai and what I also wrote is that he claims the violations were by NATO and not the Soviet Union.

        NATO did not violate us, they were our allies even though we claimed neutrality.

        1. It was a violation considering that we were not officially part of NATO, their submarines had no business in our waters.

          Had we been informed that NATO planned to carry out unplanned exercises with or against us, it would have been a different matter. That was not communicated, instead they proceeded anyway, possibly with someone’s approval within Must or similar.
          If you are an ally, you do not thunder into someone else’s territorial waters without warning.

          Regarding Jallai, I believe he knows more than a bunch of keyboard warriors, even though I do not agree with him that it was only NATO (I have not seen this, is it stated on his website?)

          1. Responded below – does it say exactly like that on Jallai’s website?

            Why would Jallai know more, he clearly states that he believes it was not Soviet submarines and thus makes himself a complete id1ot that no one should listen to.

            Those in Skalman were a fairly large group of hobby enthusiasts and furthermore Jallai refers to Tunander who is a disinformant.

            For example, Tunander comes up with huge lies about U137.

            https://gunnarwall.wordpress.com/2021/10/06/varfor-korde-u-137-pa-grund-bland-kobbar-skar-och-sommarstugor/

            Regarding NATO, we then have completely different opinions – I think it was good that they provided expertise and listening to us.

            In what you have now written, you seem more upset about the American violations than the Soviet ones?

            Some were probably also exercises to train us, which as you write some were aware of.

             

            1. You seriously mean that we should trust a forum of hobby enthusiasts where we don’t know their intentions or if they are who they claim to be?

              Sorry, but then you are as naive as another blogger who believes that all evil that happens is always due to Russian influence and all good is NATO and the USA.

              Huf, don’t you know that that blog is not an influence operation?

              The USA is not, has never been, and will never be an ally to trust as they always do what benefits them first.

              Regarding your pathetic attempt at Russophobia, you can drop that nonsense. It says more about you than about me.

              1. Who should you trust then – those who say something that is still classified and where you cannot fact-check?

                And who also make millions from books?

                After all, we had the actual reports and a large amount of testimonies that we built upon and took us where the evidence led us.

                Have you read the shell mantra yet?

                1. So we are supposed to trust a forum with hobby enthusiasts who also do not have access to classified material? Goodness!

                  Not recently, but earlier when I read everything about Submarines, Palme’s words, and Estonia.

                  As you write, Jallai BELIEVES. Just like you BELIEVE something else. Neither you, me, nor Jallai have the whole truth.

                2. If we are to distrust someone just because they make millions from books, there are certainly more authors that we should be suspicious of in the same way.

  3. Of all the good things you have written, Johan no 1, today’s post was the best. Maybe because it touches on my interests and memories. I have to read this post several times during the day before I can comment. But let me make a small comment now.
    “Halland” and “Småland” were probably the most beautiful warships ever built, along with Kockums’ Colombia destroyers, which were actually a modernized “Halland”. Two sisters of “Halland” and “Småland” were also ordered by Götaverken but were canceled when the attack aircraft was to replace a large part of the navy’s tasks. The names were already decided. “Lappland” and “Värmland”.
    The chief designer was Gösta Kaudern, who was also employed by Kockums and Broström. Also the father of “Kungsholm”. Swedish industrial design together with Italian maintains a high standard.

  4. Thank you for an interesting read, especially regarding the submarine incidents in the 80s. I seem to recall that the last major efforts were in Bohuslän, around 1989-1990?

    Yes, this puts Russia’s influence operations in the West into context. The KGB was the only one to survive Glasnost and Perestroika, and in fact emerged victorious from it, as it enabled them to build up financial networks in the West with money they stole from Russia. Networks that today finance influence operations. And Putin was there all the way, from handler in the GDR to raw material smuggler in St. Petersburg and finally president. Always KGB/Silovik. And today, Russia is exploiting the influence organization it has built up in the West against a Europe infiltrated and weakened by the same organization. Therefore, today’s impact should be much greater than during the Cold War.

    1. I remember Töre very well. The beginning or end of the Kalix line. NATO should be interested in this deep harbor. Regarding U 137, I was in Sweden when it happened. Johan is the only one, to my knowledge, who has summarized it correctly. It was a deliberate violation (Sweden’s standpoint) but a mistake (Soviet standpoint) in the end. As for the sobriety on board, it’s impossible to know, but getting so far into Gåsefjärden as they actually did indicates skill. Visited Gåsefjärden a week ago and I am impressed by Gusjtjin and his crew. (reluctantly of course). I also thought that Sweden handled this with all honor. I remember a segment on Aktuellt when Palme praised Fälldin for good leadership. Fälldin was moved, I remember. Among my colleagues in the merchant navy, submarine violations were often discussed. We were in agreement that it was Soviet submarines, but we believed that even NATO submarines took the opportunity to practice their crews when the blame fell on the Soviets. We believed in the British. England has both the knowledge and the audacity to carry out such missions, we thought.

      1. Interview with an anonymous conscript who participated in the submarine hunt in Töre in 1987. Exciting introduction. The conscript mentions the SUSO system, a system for detecting submarines established by FRA with the help of NSA.

        https://www.oceanexplorer.se/ubatsjakt-torefjarden-1987-intervju-med-en-anonym-f-d-varnpliktig/

        The SOSU system plays a crucial role in Jallais’ book The Scientist, where cooperation with the USA/NATO was sensitive/secret.

          1. That could have been the case. I believe Palme was afraid that we would see a military escalation in the Baltic Sea, which he did not want. It fueled suspicions that he was running errands for the Soviets.

            If you look a bit at his history, who he socialized with, and how he changed over time, you could almost believe that he was a double agent (put on your tin foil hat!)

            1. There is probably no tin foil hat that Palme – submarine incidents have points of contact.

              That realpolitik for the Social Democrats that they had to deal with sometimes looked like pure treason.

  5. ”Those who have invested time and prestige in the settlement interpret Trump’s U-turn as von der Leyen’s strategy having worked out well.”

  6. 1/✍️

    Europe is at hybrid war, Danish prime minister announces

    There is one obvious antagonist “and that is Russia,” Mette Frederiksen says.

    2/
    Danish authorities temporarily closed two major airports overnight Wednesday after drones were sighted in the skies, in what Copenhagen called a “hybrid attack” by a “professional actor,” with several other airports across the country reporting similar incidents.

    Copenhagen and Oslo airports were also shut down Monday due to drone incursions, forcing flights to be canceled and stranding thousands.

    3/
    The airspace breaches showed “we are at the beginning of a hybrid war against Europe,” Frederiksen said in an address to the nation posted on social media.

    “I think we are going to see more of it … We see the pattern, and it does not look good,” she added.

    4/
    Frederiksen said Danish authorities had yet to identify “who is behind the hybrid attacks against our airports and other critical infrastructure” but hinted the Kremlin was responsible.

    We can at least state that there is primarily one country that poses a threat to Europe’s security — and that is Russia,” she said.

    Europe has been rattled by a series of airspace incursions involving Russian jets and drones in recent weeks. Estonia and Poland convened NATO members for urgent talks after accusing Russia of violating their airspace in separate incidents.

    Moscow has denied responsibility for the Estonian incursion and said the Polish incident, which saw a swarm of drones cross into Polish airspace, was an accident.

    Just hours after Frederiksen’s address, Aalborg Airport in the country’s north was briefly closed for the second night in a row due to a suspected drone incursion.

    Frederiksen said she could not promise “no drones will cross the border” but added Copenhagen had “raised the alert level” and was stepping up its drone-repelling defenses.

    5/5
    “This means that the defense and police will be more present with anti-drone capabilities around critical infrastructure in the coming time,” she said, adding Ukraine was providing expertise on combatting drones.

    Earlier this month, the Danish Defense Ministry announced it would purchase the Franco-Italian SAMP/T air defense system for 58 billion Danish kroner (€7.7 billion), its largest arms purchase ever.

    Frederiksen ended her address by calling for Europe to ramp up defense spending.

    “That is why we are expanding the European defense industry, and that is why we are building up the defense industry in Denmark,” she said.

    “The events of recent days emphasize how important this is.

    Text with links and images:
    https://x.com/anno1540/status/1971538932207587669?s=46

    https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-hybrid-war-danish-prime-minister-says-russia-drones/

  7. It was fun that the submarine violations were appreciated – this was an attempt to squeeze in a lot of facts into a short post.

    If you want to read more detailed information, check out the Skalman thread – herrings and minks.

    There is an endless amount of information in that thread, you can probably guess who I was 😀

    Of course, it wasn’t just submarines, we had sabotage inside our naval bases, intrusions in our bases by divers or small vessels, conscripts shooting at all sorts of targets, chasing operators on land, operators leaving equipment, divers getting caught in fishing nets and coming up with the nets, and so on.

    There is an absolutely enormous amount of information on this, but on the other hand, they always go with this – “yes, they were Russian diving units, you are right, but it was the CIA who left them to blame the Soviet Union.”

    I remember that we also found a single mark that was defective, which U137 should have used for the final course change or the one before that, I don’t remember off the top of my head but it’s probably in the Skalman thread or a separate post about U137.

    At F21, there were tracks up from the water onto land, someone in the Skalman thread had documented them themselves when it happened.

    What you should keep in mind is the following – the Soviet Union violated us very actively during those years, the last one was probably Piranha in Hävringebukten in 1992?

    They got better and we got better.

    Throughout this time, the navy had contact with NATO, mainly the UK and the USA, and the West German smaller submarines that were suitable for moving in our archipelago used to shadow the Soviet intrusions.

    Oceanexplorer offered source protection and they were a bit popular at the time as they had been in the media a lot. I talked to them a bit in 2017 but it doesn’t seem to have amounted to more than that, I gave them some declassified reports but they don’t seem to have been published.

    HI Sutton actually published a couple of posts for us with our information, now I couldn’t find them.

    There may have been another book besides the one you posted above and someone who tried on YouTube but it always dies out – never a comprehensive approach.

    What Sweden needs is a white paper – a complete declassification of all archives, no torn out pages, and a research collective to go through everything.

    There was someone who wanted to do that with the Stasi archives to see who the traitors were, but a conservative government stopped it?

    The problem with listening to Russians, old security agents, and others is that you never know if you are getting the truth or being taken for a ride.

    What you want are the actual reports and the reason we succeeded with U137 was that we had enough of the technical information, logbooks, etc.

    The British are talking now and so are the USA, but not so much in Sweden.

    Really, everything should be opened up – the Palme assassination, Stasi, and the submarine violations to put an end to all speculations.

    Those who need protection are probably starting to die off?

    There is a huge thread on flashback about the Palme assassination, which was probably part of the private investigators who sat there and wrote + many others?

    Regarding the submarine violations, it is not news that seals and marines were in Karlskrona, that American admirals came there during violations, that their submarines moved in the waters, and so on – they tried to help us.

    What needs to be clarified in detail are the Soviet violations for a historical archive as it was actually a war lasting over ten years in our archipelago.

    Personally, I think public interest should outweigh national security now for something that is so old and especially what concerns Russia when they are now open enemies with us.

    1. Exactly, open enemies and we are now part of NATO. One should get to know their enemy, not sweep things under the rug. Archived secret material can be of great value for researchers as you say. Is there a risk of revealing something that is important / sensitive for our defense or NATO today and should continue to be kept secret?

      1. We know most things anyway, the Soviet Union knew exactly everything, our coastal batteries and mine lines are decommissioned, other submarine and ship models today – not much I think.

    2. “Halland” was decommissioned in 1982 as the last destroyer in Sweden. I remember that the same day this happened, a foreign periscope was sighted outside the Muskö base. This initiated an intense submarine hunt – without the navy having a single anti-submarine warfare ship. Perhaps a greeting to “Halland” from a neighboring country with a wish of Good Watch.
      Now, good advice was expensive, and in record time, the corvettes “Stockholm” and “Malmö” were built. According to a very close relative, these were (are) successful ships. Perhaps it is because all the bickering at the drawing boards had to be set aside and instead focus on quickly completing the ships. Nowadays, they are downgraded to patrol boats but could probably be re-armed relatively quickly back to corvettes.

  8. An anecdote for the 2 million Finnish citizens who read the thread daily but become 3 million during Friday intoxication.

    In Skalman, we had a long discussion about how it would simply be unreasonable to speed into Gåsefjärden the way they did.

    First, a person with nautical knowledge could confirm that it would have been possible to stop the submarine – he made a calculation that stood up to scrutiny.

    The second thing was that Johan No.1 was trawling crazy Russians and discovered that when Finland mined the Finnish bay again during WW2, the Soviets solved it by hanging logs on the submarines that had to “crawl” along the seabed UNDER the mines and drive into rocks and everything possible but managed to wriggle out.

    Then there was a torpedo test with a new torpedo over in Karlskrona at the time of U137.

    Some fishermen saw smaller echoes disappear – later interpreted as mini submarines that were in the area of the torpedo test.

    And last but not least, some resident or fisherman who distinctly heard TWO submarine engines idling.

  9. Regarding the white paper – the only ones who don’t really know what happened are the residents of Sweden.

    Soviet, USA, UK, NATO, our government, and our navy all had all the information.

    1. Yes, it also appears in Mikael Holmström’s book, Hidden Alliance. Have it nearby and will check.

      I pondered, or if it was implicitly stated in the book, that there was a great advantage in Sweden officially being neutral, and perhaps it also mattered how it was perceived by the citizens.

      That Sweden could build the largest air combat force in Northern Europe without disturbing the “official” balance in the arms race. The balance in the arms race was closely monitored and formed the basis for various East-West agreements. The SALT agreements concerned nuclear warheads, but I wonder if there were also agreements detailing air combat forces, ground forces, and naval forces?

      In fact, Sweden was a huge aircraft carrier protected by both ground forces and other naval forces.

      There was an advantage in maintaining the neutral invasion defense as the domestically official description. That Sweden on its own had to withstand an invasion from a powerful USSR. There were few who raised their voices against this officially completely legitimate and definitely not impotent defense capability. Even though it was still a capability that would hold the Russians at bay for weeks rather than months, and assistance from outside would have become relevant if the Russians became persistent, neutral Sweden was a wild card in NATO’s total capacity in the north.

      The air combat forces in Norway and Denmark were only a fraction of what we had in Sweden, right? And the Swedes proudly produced their Draken and Viggen to deploy in the Swedish forests. The same applied to the ground forces (Denmark had already transitioned to a professional army before the end of the Cold War) and the naval forces, right?

      Why even consider playing the NATO card?

  10. MacElmac

    ….consider the idea that we may have just solved the mystery of the strange submarines in our Swedish archipelagos in the 1980s, with a lot of help from Ola Tunander, not to forget. The submarines were not Soviet, they were not American, nor West German – but ITALIAN. ….

    https://www.jallai.se/2013/01/bevisligen-en-nato-ubat/

    I think Jallai writes on his website just as I said – you did mention above that it wasn’t on the website, right?

    He also refers to Tunander as a disinformation agent.

    What he actually doesn’t have at all is the book, the SVD article, and Carl Bildt’s speech that I found which strengthens the chain of evidence to the Italian mini-submarine 😀

  11. No, I didn’t write that, don’t start interpreting what one writes in a negative way like Wilderäng. I wrote that I haven’t seen it and wondered if it was stated there. Will read it.

    There has been speculation that both British and West German submarines have been involved, which as I understand the British have vaguely admitted.

    But that doesn’t prove that it was only Soviet submarines. As I wrote earlier, there were a damn lot of nationalities. Why? Because Sweden was exactly positioned between the West and the East and had the world’s best hiding places in the archipelagos and islands.

    Neither the Soviet Union, the USA, nor NATO knew where Sweden and Palme stood, no wonder they wanted to see where the loyalty lay.

    My opinion remains.

    1. What do you mean by “your pathetic attempt at Russophobia” – I don’t understand that, was it because I wrote that you seemed more upset about NATO than the Soviet Union?

      The discussion we’ve had over a couple of posts is from you about NATO and the USA, that Jallai is more credible and so on?

      When I want to discuss that it was the Soviet Union that violated and NATO was on our side 😀

      So, we were not anonymous to each other in the forum – or those of us who worked on the fact that the Soviet Union was the violating party know each other, but we didn’t openly disclose it in the forum.

      That forum also had quite a bit of information that we provided – we know that some of this information was used by others as well and that we did the work for them.

      Now I think you are misinterpreting it 😀

      In the post and in the comments, I wrote that it was West German and NATO as well, but that they were not our enemies, right?

      Not that it was only Soviet submarines.

      The problem when you want to discuss that it was NATO is that people like Jallai and Tunander then write that it was only NATO and no Soviet submarines – Tunander is a disinformation agent and Jallai wanted to sell books.

      Since they have more impact, the general perception then becomes that maybe it was all just a big influence operation from the USA.

      The truth is that the Soviet Union violated us and if the Soviet Union had not violated us, there would not have been any Western submarines in our waters either.

      Everything is shifting and no one wants to discuss the Soviet violations – they were the ones preparing for war against us.

      We and NATO were preparing for defense.

      If it had been the other way around, it would have been them chasing our submarines outside St. Petersburg.

       

      1. I write what I believe and what I have concluded through my own research and what I have read. I trust what I think seems most credible and what I value as credible information.

        The submarines were from the Soviet Union and from NATO. Everyone wanted to play hide and seek. The fact that NATO was not our enemy does not negate the problem that the Swedish people did not know that we were playing under the covers with NATO. Then it becomes an infringement from the people’s perspective. It is clear that it is upsetting that a foreign power violates our waters without us giving them official permission to enter there. But maybe it’s okay for all countries Sweden has some form of contact with to come in and out in stealth mode as they please? Official Sweden had zero control over who was in the lake. Only a few, like in the IB affair, knew what was going on. It doesn’t really matter if NATO is our friend when the Swedish people didn’t know anything and were spoon-fed that it was the Soviet Union EVERY TIME.

        Palme was not murdered by C.P. but by a more cold, professional person with a clear motive and a clear employer. Whether it was a small group or a state, we will probably never know.

        Estonia was not blown up or hit by a submarine. She sank because she was poorly maintained and this fact was ignored so that Estonia would have an open route to freedom.

        If you believe in Skalman, then I believe in something else.

        Cheers to Friday!

        1. I don’t really believe in Skalman, but I believe in the evidence we have found that supports our assumptions, official reports and documents, as well as statements from those who were present.

          I turn the argument around – our government and navy have not been very open about the Soviet violations either, in terms of presenting evidence, have they?

          Yes, we chased Soviet submarines and the navy described it, but most of it is still classified.

          Isn’t it equally disturbing that we, the Swedish people, have not been told everything about the Soviet violations?

          I find it remarkable that we are in 2025 and everything is still classified.

          Considering what has been revealed about Palme over the years, Engström is probably not a likely shooter either, right?

          The murder investigator who retired immediately after the murder, “Sweden’s most experienced murder investigator,” probably had a very clear opinion about who was behind it in his diary that he gave to his son, didn’t he?

          But now we will never find out 😀

          Actually, I have no opinion on Estonia, it has been outside of my area of interest.

           

           

          1. But then we are on the same page, the only thing that sets us apart is that we disagree on whether NATO’s actions are a violation or not.

            Yes, it’s damn awful that one is not honest with their population, but we are also gullible Swedes who turn a blind eye, and that is being exploited.

            No, Engström was a loner who wanted attention.

            The South Africa track is what I think holds up best so far, but it is not without some question marks that have not been clarified.

            Then you shouldn’t jump down the rabbit hole of Estonia with the book “Tysta leken,” or any of the others where it emerges that the maritime administration knew about the deficiencies but ignored reporting because it was students who conducted the inspection on board.

            1. Yes, it seems so, always in agreement 😀

              And yes, technically NATO did violate, so you are right there too 😀

              What I really want is for the Swedish people to understand what the Soviet Union really did, and I feel that the NATO track is taking focus away from that.

              Not at all because you are talking about it, but because there are those who move on and claim that the Soviet Union never violated us – like Tunander and Jallai in the links I posted.

              Those under 50 years old have no personal experience to fall back on, they only read what is written and if they receive the message that everything was NATO in the larger debate, they believe it.

              This is how Rolf Linden, who was a senior officer at the Blekinge coastal defense at that time, writes

              The events of 1984 have been thoroughly investigated by the chairman of the accident investigation commission, Steen. He states that there were at least 10 violations, with evidence equivalent to a guilty verdict in a Swedish murder case. In 1995, only technical indications/evidence were examined, and did not investigate 1984 in this regard. I have commented on 2001 before, maybe you are well informed about it?

              What I find difficult to live with, is individuals who still, with misleading claims, try to excuse/minimize the Soviet Union’s aggressive behavior during this period. Without putting the incident in its historical perspective. Without sustainable factual arguments. Like you just did.

              Even more difficult is to live with the fact that some take the liberty to publicly ridicule the extremely demanding efforts that mainly the Navy personnel were subjected to during the 1980s and 1990s. Claiming our territory cost many shattered dreams, economies, relationships, and indirectly, several comrades’ lives.

  12. Below is a pretty good summary of all kinds of disinformation in the submarine issue, posted above but it is this image that caught on and became popular. Skalman died out a few years before the UA war and now everyone is probably stuck with that instead.

    I think that post-war we could take what we have now learned through first-hand information and go back and see if we can make progress.

    For us to succeed in proving that U137 did not navigate incorrectly, we thought was great but no one else did 😀

    https://gunnarwall.wordpress.com/2021/10/06/varfor-korde-u-137-pa-grund-bland-kobbar-skar-och-sommarstugor/

    1. I still want to be a little contrarian here. First a disclaimer. I don’t know much more about the matter than what has been reported in the daily press. I have no problem at all believing that the Soviet Union (intentionally) violated Swedish waters. The question of whether this was such a case. However, there are a few things that I think speak against it.

      Firstly, that a number of credible witnesses heard the submarine running on diesel engines before running aground. If it was a spy mission, diesel engines seem completely unlikely. If intentional, these witnesses must have been mistaken. Here you would like to see a really detailed discussion of these testimonies. Maybe something I missed!?

      Two. The boat was moving at high speed and blowing ballast tanks. If intentional, the captain must have (believed he) knew very precisely where the ship was and (believed he) had full control of navigation. Otherwise, he would have been moving at maneuvering speed and the ship, like, a meter below the minimum draft. There has been talk of missing marks. That could be an explanation. But around 8 p.m. on October 27, it must have been dark. How does that affect things?

      As a statistician, I am not 100 percent convinced by the probability argument. Things that seem extremely unlikely both before and after they occur happen all the time. OK, I can’t dismiss it, of course.

      As far as I understand, the enemy was searching for a lost submarine east of Bornholm on that particular morning.

      What were they doing in Gåsefjärden? Sincere question. There must have been a purpose if intentional.

      1. We sat and pondered a lot about why they could be in Gåsefjärden.

        The Karlskrona naval base is nearby, there were torpedo tests in the waters outside Karlskrona, and there is an FRA station at Utlängan.

        There is also a building for cables somewhere around Gåsefjärden where we guessed the FRA cable ran.

        If you look at the map, Gåsefjärden is the area with the fewest houses, no fairways, and it offers shelter in the area around Karlskrona.

        Now, I’m not sure if it was true, but there should be a naval fairway where the water depth is incorrect, and the navy navigated using landmarks.

        Yes, the landmarks should be visible in the dark with good binoculars and definitely with night vision goggles.

        They entered at 20:00 on October 27, which means they started the operation when it was dark and had the whole night ahead of them.

        We know from Russian sources that there was a group from GUGI present, which is for military diving operations, and I believe the senior officer was Avsukjevitj(???) who was a high-ranking official from the home base.

        GUGI is only on a submarine if the submarine has a real mission, and the presence of that group was confirmed in some report/document and is not a guess.

        It’s like one of our submarines transporting a group of clearance or combat divers with a senior officer on board.

        If you turn the reasoning around – as a statistician, are you convinced that they could have navigated wrongly?

        The submarine had 4 navigation instruments, and if they had determined their position even once over a couple of days, the accident would never have happened. The version that it was a navigation error leans towards all four instruments being broken/defective.

        U137 also mistook the Utklippan lighthouse for a fishing boat but corrected the course exactly at the right moment with the Utklippan lighthouse, leading them straight into Gåsefjärden.

        The course correction was in the red-green sector, and U137 had the area as a patrol area and knew the area. They changed course exactly when they needed to in order to enter Gåsefjärden. The probability of that happening and them not recognizing the Utklippan lighthouse within their patrol area must reasonably have been very small?

        Because the version of a navigation error is just as you write – they thought they were at Bornholm, then a somewhat correct reading from one of the four navigation instruments would have told them they were not there. They had a couple of days.

        When the Swedish officer came on board, a sailor showed a detailed map, to which the captain said something like “blyat” and the sailor ran to get a less detailed map.

        However, what happened was that they made a final course correction to 020 degrees and had two minutes. They were 8 meters off course and ran aground. So, the navigation error was only 8 meters.

        Yes, they were going at high speed, but they had managed to stop inside Gåsefjärden.

        I don’t remember what we said about the ballast tanks, they went into an intermediate position, and I think we concluded that it was correct.

        Then I don’t remember what we said about how they were positioned in the water near Bornholm because they thought they were there.

         

        1. I might as well take back what I said about probability. At least as long as I don’t want to engage in details about the route to the sighting of land.

          Regarding the speed and ballast tanks, the captain must have thought that he absolutely did not risk grounding. Either because he thought it was so far to the bottom that he didn’t need to be so careful, or believed that he had a 100% handle on margins. With, like, 8 knots speed, 8 meters of clearance, and a large boat, there is not much (none) room for error.

          The witnesses? Dismissed as mistakes?

        2. It is true that the navy had its own nautical charts and routes marked with single marks in the archipelago. There is also an inner route, the so-called ship route. It is not necessarily shorter than the route via Karlskrona anchorage, but it provides good protection for smaller vessels from the southwest winds. The depth is only about 3 meters and pilots were previously taken at Långören. The only obstacle is the Möcklösund bridge. Vertical clearance for sailing is 18 meters.

    1. Here is the thesis that it was not a misnavigation, it was preceded by a lot of information and is a summary.

      https://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=44019&start=15

      And here is the Skalman thread about U137

      https://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=378https://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=378

      Here is one of HI Sutton’s articles with our information, there were a couple and the hope was that we would attract readers who had knowledge and could take us further, but it didn’t happen.

      https://www.hisutton.com/Russian_Tracked_Submarines_Baltic_1980s.html

      Got stuck today checking old emails about submarine incidents – oh my, the time we spent on this 😀

      I thought Nils Ove was sensible and nice, he is probably quite close to how we perceived it.

      https://kkrva.se/hot/2015:1/rossander_ubatar_an_en_gang.pdf

       

  13. Puh, exhausted but soon time for Friday drinks and I need that now.

    I have nothing to add regarding the submarine scandals, except that I felt like having a submarine, by which I mean the old classic with a two-liter glass boot of beer and a dropped 6th of Jägermeister.

    But Nemiroff works just fine too!!

    1. Since we have written a lot about U 137 today, Whiskey on the rocks seems fitting. As an alcohol-free alternative, I can recommend a six-pack of mineral water.

  14. Let’s have some Trump jokes:

    Why is it difficult to fit Trump in a Volkswagen Beetle?
    Partly because it would be embarrassing for him to have to sit in a German car,
    and partly because his ego is so big that it requires a trailer hitch, and the Beetle doesn’t have one….

    Can lightning strike Trump?
    Probably not, he’s not a conductor….

    Some contributions from chatGPT:

    What did Trump say when he saw a mirror?
    “Finally, a candidate I can vote for!”

    How do you know Trump has been in the kitchen?
    He tried to build a wall between salt and pepper…

     

    1. Reminiscent of childhood stories. The time when people were the same as bubble.

      – How do you fit four elephants in a bubble?

      – Two in the front and two in the back!

      – How do you fit four giraffes in a bubble?

      – You take out the elephants!

    2. After another well-known pattern.

      There was an Englishman, a German, and Trump who were going to compete to see who could endure the longest in a pigsty.

      First, the Englishman went in. He came out after 10 minutes.
      – I can’t stand it. It smells like pigs.
      Then the German went in. He came out after 20 minutes.
      – I can’t stand it. It smells like a pig.
      Then Trump went in…

      After half an hour, the pig came out.
      – I can’t stand it, it stinks of Victory cologne.

  15. I have no dog videos, was sitting and looking at ten-year-old emails about the submarine violations with all sorts of different people in the debate, there were rewarding discussions even with the disinformers.

    It would probably have been easier today with WhatsApp but back then I was abroad, some in the group were outside of Sweden and almost all communication was via email.

    Good for the archive that everything is still there.

    There’s also a tropical storm here, like a mad-max situation going to and from work.

  16. Joke a la submarine from ChatGPT:

    • Sailor humor:
      “It is said that the crew only followed the logbook: 1 bottle of vodka per nautical mile.
      Unfortunately, the bottles ran out already in the archipelago of Karlskrona.”

    • Forum meta:
      “The navigator of U137 must have hung out on the same forum as us.
      Friday night drinking and suddenly running aground.”

  17. Now everyday drama…

    My dog is half hysterical and climbs on me and whines… probably he wants to go out…

    …so we go out while you drown your sorrows and submarine memories in the nearest islet (or island, whichever you prefer)…

    Then I will do some bricklaying…. but just a little….

    … so I will return…. 

     

     

  18. Här Jan W har du kring hastigheten från Skalman och att dom kunnat stanna bekvämt innan det blev grunt.

    “Om ni tittar på Eniros sjökort så är det en 2000m-2500m lång stoppsträcka innan det blir kritiskt för U137.
    Dom behövde kanske 1200m-1500m
    Dom kan ju inte gärna dra ned på farten innan kursomläggningen till 20 grader för 8knop var väl ungefär styrfart (enligt SOU 1995)
    Men om dom drog ned hastigheten precis efter svängen så bör dom ha stannat en bit efter Killeviken”.

  19. Utklippans fyr som U137 navigerade efter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utklippan

    “Sedan har du ju de besvärande omständigheterna att U 137 angjort Utklippans fyr ( lysvidd minst 45 km, en av de ljusstarkaste fyrarna i S Österrsjön) söderifrån, rundat på ostsidan (fastställt både bäring OCH avstånd). (1995)
    Tillkommer att vid passagen in i Gåsefjärden har hon fyren akterut, ca 10 km, och Karlskrona stad på babord/vänstersidan och förut. Också ca 10 km. Med mycket väl upplysta områden som Verkö djuphamn, Örlogsbasen, Varvet. Och hela Karlskrona stad. Jag lovar dig, det lyser! Jag har varit där. Ofta. DET är fenomen, svårt att förklara om man är på fritt hav öster om Chrisiansö/Ärtholmarna”.

  20. I hope you are having fun in your Friday party, I am starting to regain interest in submarine scandals again 😀

    Maybe we should change direction for a year to MXT, just submarine scandals instead.

  21. Answered a bit further up in the thread MacElmac

    Yes, it seems so, as always consensus 😃

    And yes, technically NATO probably did violate, so you are right there with 😃

    What I really want is for the Swedish people to understand what the Soviet Union really did, and I feel that the NATO track distracts from that.

    Not at all because you are talking about it, but because there are those who move on and claim that the Soviet Union never violated us – like Tunander and Jallai in the links I posted. Or the Magazine Filter, I don’t even want to link to them.

    Those under 50 years old have no personal experience to fall back on, they just read what is written and if they are fed the idea that everything was NATO in the larger debate, they believe it.

    This is how Rolf Linden, who was a senior officer at the Blekinge coastal defense at the time, writes in an email I received from him.

    The events of 1984 have, among other things, been thoroughly investigated by the chairman of the accident investigation commission, Steen. He states that there were at least 10 violations, with evidence equivalent to a guilty verdict in a Swedish murder case. In 1995, only technical indications/evidence were examined, and did not investigate 1984 in this regard. I have commented on 2001 before, You may be well informed about that?

    What I find difficult to live with is individuals who still, and with misleading claims, try to excuse/trivialize the Soviet Union’s aggressive behavior during this period. Without putting the event in its historical perspective. Without sustainable factual arguments. Like you just did.

    Even more difficult is to live with the fact that some take the liberty to publicly ridicule the extremely demanding efforts that primarily the Navy personnel were subjected to during the 1980s and 1990s. Claiming our territory cost many shattered dreams, economies, relationships, and indirectly, several comrades’ lives.

  22. Since now everyone has been hit by submarine fever (a bothersome condition that usually affects submarine crews otherwise) we are diving straight into the conspiracy fog!

    Chat GPT has dug a bit in the archives and found some interesting but overlooked details:

    10 Really Twisted Explanations for Why U137 ran aground in the Karlskrona archipelago:

    1. Teleportation error – they were actually trying to jump to the deepest point of the Baltic Sea… but ended up with the coordinates for the Systembolaget in Karlskrona.

    2. The sea monster did it – the Swedish cousin of the Loch Ness monster, “Blekinge-Börje,” stepped onto the submarine and turned the wheel.

    3. Soviet GPS system (prototype) – consisted of a pack of crows with compasses taped to their backs. One ate a herring and they lost their direction.

    4. Cultural exchange – they just wanted to try Swedish surströmming… and got a little too close to the buffet.

    5. The captain’s wife called – “If you don’t come home sober, you’ll have to sleep in the submarine!”
      Captain: ‘We’ll solve it, we’ll hide in Sweden until she calms down’.

    6. Engine room devil – a gremlin had settled in the diesel and absolutely wanted to go to IKEA.

    7. Experimental submarine technology – actually a transformer that failed and got stuck halfway between “U137” and “Volvo 245 Estate.”

    8. Finnish involvement – someone turned on Soua Sorsa at full volume, the whole crew started dancing, and well… the steering wheel had to take care of itself.

    9. Time traveler – they were actually from the future and trying to stop Skynet, but missed by a few hundred sea miles.

    10. Pure Friday intoxication… but on the Swedish side – the submarine was actually sober. It was the archipelago that staggered and ran into them.

      • “U137 was actually sober – but the sea had taken a whole crate of Explorer.”

      • “It wasn’t a grounding – it was a giant ice cube in the punch.”

      • “The crew just followed the signs: ‘Systembolaget next exit’.”

      • “Sweden confused submarine and party bus – classic Friday mistake.”

      • The archipelago had one drink too many – the rocks simply fell in the way.

      • The sea was on a cocktail – the waves staggered left and right, hard for a sober submarine to keep up.

      • Swedish lighthouses dazzled wrong – blinked in a morning-evening rhythm so the navigator thought he was at a disco in Riga.

      • The Coast Guard was snoring – and moved the sea marks in their sleep, just to mess around.

      • Sweden collectively on Friday intoxication – the whole nation leaned a bit southeast, and the submarine happened to be right in the way. Blub, blub, blub…..

      1. Teleportation error – they were actually trying to jump to the deepest point of the Baltic Sea… but ended up getting the coordinates to the Systembolaget in Karlskrona.

      “Ended up”? Isn’t it now established that it was intentional?

  23. and finally…

    5 secrets they don’t want you to know about the grounding:

    1. IKEA Defense Force 🪑 – the submarine was supposed to deliver blueprints for a flat-packed atomic torpedo. The cliffs automatically rose when they couldn’t find the Allen key.

    2. ABBA operation 🎶 – they were ordered to infiltrate Sweden, but got hypnotized by “Dancing Queen” and steered straight into the disco cliff.

    3. Absolut Vodka plan 🍸 – bottles were strategically dumped into the sea, the submarine followed the trail like a snail after beer.

    4. Secret Swedish defense 🐟 – actually consisted of drunken herring in formation. A coordinated “herring wall” drove U137 towards the ground.

    5. Illuminati/Skansen collaboration 🦉 – the grounding was actually staged to cover up the big secret: that the Swedish royal family is actually a gang of disguised owls.

      1. Checked the link to the Skalman thread above. Looks like you were in the boys’ room in the basement when the submarine hunt was going on :

         

        Johan

        Post April 27, 2002, 14:29

        Since I wasn’t even born in 1981, I missed the chance to experience the event.

        :(

        My opinion on whether it was a navigation error or not is similar to Per’s, it’s clear that they navigated wrongly if they end up on a reef.

        Today’s post was made by The Old One who must have also been one of those hunting submarines. Did he have more merits from the Battle of Trafalgar?

         

        Talk about infiltration! 

  24. During the summer campaign, the enemy had planned to gain control and by early autumn establish a “buffer zone” in Kharkiv and Sumy regions, capture the Pokrovsk agglomeration, reach the borders of Donetsk region, and seize a number of territories in Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk, and Kherson regions. Thanks to Ukraine’s Defense Forces, Russia’s plans have been disrupted.

    — ukrinform

  25. In under two months, Ukrainian Deep Strike capabilities have struck 85 important targets on Russian territory. This directly affects the enemy’s logistics and supply.

    — ukrinform

  26. The situation on the frontline is difficult, but the Defense Forces have recently achieved some success. The Defense Forces conduct about 15-20 assault operations daily.

    “As for the overall situation on the front line, it remains difficult. The enemy continues to advance in the main directions, particularly in the Pokrovsk and Dobropillia sectors. The situation remains tense in the Lyman and Novopavlivka sectors as well. In other sectors, there are low-intensity combat operations. Overall, the situation is under our control. We have had some success recently,” Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi emphasized.

    — Ukrinform

  27. Straight talk

    “President Zelensky is losing his mind to his anti-Hungarian obsession. He’s now starting to see things that aren’t there,” Szijjártó wrote on X.

    In response, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha criticized the moral degradation of the Hungarian government.

    “We are starting to see a lot of things, Peter, including your government’s hypocrisy and moral degradation, open and covert work against Ukraine and the rest of Europe, serving as a Kremlin lackey. No amount of your attacks on our President will change what we — and everyone — see,” Sibyha wrote on X.

    — ukrinform

  28. The Russians lack forces and resources to launch an offensive on Dnipropetrovsk region, as all Russian marine units are currently bogged down in fighting in the Dobropillia direction.

    — ukrinform

  29. The first anti-drone tunnel has been completed in the Zaporizhzhia region, with three more 60% ready.

    The Head of the Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration stated that the first stage of a large-scale construction project to protect frontline roads from enemy drones is underway.

    “Our main focus is on areas near the line of contact and key logistics routes. The first tunnel has already been completed, and three more are 60% finished. Steel, wire, and mesh structures effectively protect transportation and people,” the post says.

    — ukrinform
    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/4040832-first-antidrone-tunnel-built-in-zaporizhia-region.html

  30. Not bad for coming from the left, but I’ve only read the headline.

    Martin Hansson: Russia is after the weapon crane to Ukraine Published September 23 (Updated September 23) Image: Fredrik Sandberg/TT, Alexander Kazakov/AP (montage) TODAY’S ETC Were there Russian drones in Copenhagen and Oslo? We don’t know. But it is clear that Russia has escalated its provocations against NATO member countries. The purpose may be to force them to prioritize their own needs to a greater extent – instead of sending resources to Ukraine.

  31. About Russian subversive activities and illegalists touched upon in today’s blog and blogged about here (see also Jallai: The Illegalist).

    For @KyivIndependent, I wrote about @shaunwalker7’s new book on the history of Russia’s illegal spy program. One of the most insane books I’ve read in a while, but so well-written, definitely worth your time.

    Spies among us? Shaun Walker’s new book details Russia’s decades-long international espionage program

    https://kyivindependent.com/spies-among-us-shaun-walkers-new-book-details-russias-decades-long-international-espionage-program/

     

  32. New factory in Germany can expand production of important Patriot air defense missiles when needed

    The European defense industry group MBDA can expand production of Patriot air defense missiles in its new factory in Schrobenhausen in Bavaria. The factory, which is the first Patriot factory in Europe, doubles the global production capacity for PAC-2 guided missiles, which are intended to intercept tactical ballistic missiles.

    “We are on schedule,” says MBDA’s CEO Thomas Gottschild. “Production is planned to start at the end of 2026 to ensure a first delivery in early 2027.” For security reasons, he did not want to disclose the exact capacity. But there is still room for expansion: “If additional orders exceed a certain threshold, we are prepared to invest in additional production capacity,” says Gottschild.

    🚀 🐦 https://x.com/grafkorina/status/1971506746469282256?s=46

  33. Subversiv verksamhet. Moldavien 🇲🇩

    Russia financed pilgrimages for Moldovan Orthodox priests and provided them with debit cards later loaded with cash in exchange for campaigning against closer ties with the European Union.

    Father Mihai Bicu, one of the clerics, said that before returning home he and others were handed debit cards from Russian state lender Promsvyazbank, later credited with about $1,200 each. In return, they were instructed to establish parish Telegram channels to discourage voters from supporting Moldova’s pro-Western government.

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-allegedly-paid-moldovan-priests-to-launch-telegram-campaign-against-eu-says-reuters-11996

  34. China 🇨🇳, Taiwan 🇹🇼, Russia 🇷🇺

    Documents Reveal Russia Supplying China BMD-4Ms, Sprut Guns, Airdrop Systems for Taiwan Scenarios.

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/documents-reveal-russia-supplying-china-bmd-4ms-sprut-guns-airdrop-systems-for-taiwan-scenarios-11997

     

    The files also outline Russian-run training for Chinese paratroopers in Russia and later in China, and integration of Russian command-and-control practices. “It is a very good example of how the Russians have become an enabler for the Chinese,” said Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at RUSI, adding that Russia could serve as “strategic backup for China” in a Taiwan contingency. 

  35. I heard in the news today about bought votes in the upcoming election in Moldova.

    Do people feel obligated to honor such an agreement if they have received the money? Can’t they change their minds!?

  36. A small thought or rather a reflection. My mother, who during the incident with U 137, came up with the following statement, “I had trouble sleeping last night and was listening to the radio, where they said that the coastal artillery had sunk a ship and then the broadcast was interrupted. What really happened?

  37. We believe we should appoint Kaitsetahe as the new Friday binge-drinking toastmaster?
    Nowadays, he beats Johan No.1 by a mile when it comes to delivering funny movies that one enjoys watching!!

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