2024-09-26 -

11:10

Our intel yesterday was correct that Zelensky met Biden, thanks Dengamle, and here you have a summary of Zelensky

https://x.com/zelenskyyua/status/1839066074446278717?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Today is probably the big meeting and then hopefully all the info about the packages will come.

11:12

Blumenthal with the Democrats who is not exactly unknown is a Putinist 😲

(according to some in the thread’s very far-fetched and completely incorrect logic)

https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1839094042405031958?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

11:45

Yes absolutely Geld,

if you criticize Biden (the White House, the administration) like this before the election then you automatically go/are pro-Trump but above all you serve Putin’s interests – you are thus a Putinist or pro-Russian.

Wasn’t it the day before yesterday that theory was launched in the thread?

And now it flips just as quickly when the Senate and Congress from both D and R go out and put pressure on Biden 🤣
Lifespan like a mayfly then.

12:25

The lions
https://x.com/ukrainiansquad/status/1839168197217411134?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

What is on the table here is that, for example, 90% of the Ukrainian prisoners of war are tortured and 60% are raped (men and women!), an example of 100,000 cases of Russian war crimes.
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1839088080344740272?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Or this one
https://x.com/victoriaslog/status/1838676201382228168?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

And this one
https://x.com/igor_from_kyiv_/status/1838619418215014505?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

However, it is hard not to continue with Zelensky here and his royal progress.

I get the feeling that Zelensky has tricked Trump, or that’s the wrong word because he has rather made Trump angry and that’s enough with Trump being Trump for that, so the man without impulse control is saying all sorts of things right now that are miserably ill-considered even for him.

Considering that the arms industry is running at full speed and for example Pennsylvania as a state is doing very well right now, the idea of going there and complaining about Zelensky and saying all sorts of negative things about Ukraine is probably a pretty sure way to lose a lot of votes?
https://x.com/kyivindependent/status/1839046033546019154?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w
https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1839056325860573640?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

The whole MAGA seems to have gotten their talking points now
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1838624930298237079?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

As I said, I don’t know the USA at all which we have proven countless times but EVERY world leader wants to be seen smiling with Zelensky right now and this must presumably also be shown on TV in the USA?

Trump is thus the only one who calls Zelensky a little Russian thieving magpie and my thought is still that the conservative GOP must be looking at D here in pure desperation?

And neither Trump nor speaker Johnson will meet Zelensky – the only ones who don’t want to in the whole USA.
https://x.com/noelreports/status/1839194472032117218?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

This is the country that HATED communism and where the Soviet Union/Russia was the arch-enemy, it’s a bit like burning a maypole and complaining about potato pancakes and pork in Sweden, kind of.

It is very difficult to know how much is planned together with D but in my playbook Zelensky is now a big boost for Kamala Harris here mostly because of all the ill-considered statements Trump makes.

It seems at least that the Poles in Pennsylvania had an easy time deciding when Zelensky was in Scranton and that is an important swing state if I understand this correctly 😀

And our intel was correct that Zelensky met Biden yesterday, nothing formal came from the USA but here is Zelensky’s summary (thanks Dengamle)
https://x.com/zelenskyyua/status/1839066074446278717?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Not to make the Biden loyal too happy, those who only want D to win at the expense of the Ukrainian dead children, not everything is actually sunshine and fluttering butterflies from Biden.

And above all, the not entirely unknown Blumenthal is serving Putin’s interests according to some in the thread – I didn’t think he was a Putinist but according to some in the thread’s logic he is (which of course is a worse joke based on ignorance or something else, but just to put it in perspective how wrong it is)😲
https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1839094042405031958?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Now everything is rumors and we will probably see very soon how the meeting with Biden goes and exactly what the USA will send from the stockpiles, and especially when.
According to this newspaper article, the White House almost mocks Zelensky’s peace plan
https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1839020883131658293?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

And here it seems the White House (Joe Biden) is not interested in sending phosphorus grenades as the Pentagon recommends (after 1.5 years of TOS-1 and Russian thermite 😐).
https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1838989788629913936?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

And Kier Starmer has reached the level of hot air now – words but no action, it only took 2.5 years to start stamping his foot and writing angry letters, 2.5 years.
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1839039025786527977?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w
https://x.com/yasminalombaert/status/1838998012779180318?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

And Erdogan says that the USA does not want Ukraine in NATO (but it’s Erdogan…)
https://x.com/euromaidanpr/status/1838960561775624476?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

What I think one can say for sure is that Zelensky is a huge election influence on two legs and exactly how this will play out will be fun to know going forward 😁
I personally think this could be the nail in the coffin for Trump but then again I know nothing about the USA either.

Seems like 150 M1117s are coming now at least from the stockpiles so they are rolling. Last time it happened remo was needed and I don’t think they have arrived yet?
https://x.com/jeff21461/status/1839063084129759616?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXZOK5gF7w

Now we shall see if “non-escalation” which many have praised as the best strategy ever finally collapses under its own dark weight.
Biden builds up expectations ahead of today’s meeting
https://x.com/kyivindependent/status/1839060376886903114?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9

And Putin is so scared now that he is faking an important meeting where he revises his nuclear weapons doctrine, somewhat tailored to the idea that if Biden gives anything, it will lead to nuclear war. Then just close your eyes, wait, and hope.
https://x.com/darthputinkgb/status/1839179972176384043?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

But more is happening – Poland is simply threatening to enter the war in some way if Russia starts bombing nuclear power plants, probably not a statement approved by Biden since it would likely turn into a NATO conflict if Russia happens to shoot something into Poland in retaliation?
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1839036821730386072?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w
https://x.com/noelreports/status/1839011690169467004?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Russian propagandists also got into the UN and started inciting against Zelensky
https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1839140598202175990?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

I am very curious if we have reached the end of the road with the US’s completely failed strategy for the Ukraine war, the one we have heard many times in the thread is a winning strategy and that the US knows best and all that.
If it has reached the end of the road, it was a failed consumable that belongs in the dustbin of history.

Then we have Biden’s and the US’s nuclear weapons fear that is rumored, and Putin at least gets points for trying – we will see if Biden and Sullivan, and everyone else were wrong there too or if it will be a nuclear war, if the US now goes against Putin.

Because Putin basically says that if Western missiles are fired into Russia, then damn, the silos will be opened wide and then you will have to stop eating reindeer meat for another 10 years again.

This thing about Iran’s assassination plans on Trump, I believe the first two assassination attempts were legitimate but here one actually starts to wonder a bit, I must admit – this doesn’t feel right.
https://x.com/catturd2/status/1839003106811535401?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Besides Blumenthal, it seems I have Perpetua and Gary Kasparov with me too 👍
https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1838630108313116998?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w
https://x.com/kasparov63/status/1838605434883563539?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Zelensky’s visit to the US is so far a textbook example of strategic communication and if Biden can just top this in the right way, this war is heading towards its end – the tension is at its peak ahead of all the information we will get during the day, to say the least, as I sit bobbing in the shark-infested waters off West Africa in a boat that is too small and way too hot.

13:17

Who is the president of the US responsible for all support to Ukraine in recent years?
What does Ukraine itself think about the lacking support so far?
What do many leaders in the EU think with their highly diplomatic statements?

You wrote “But one thing is clear, to cast suspicion and demonize the forces in the West that fight for democracy and rule-based Western civilization is to play into Putin’s hands.”

And I just showed that Blumenthal has the same position as I do, and then Perpetua and Kasparov.

That position is not controversial in any way – the US tells countries in the EU what they can and cannot do right now, for example. Under what international law do they do that?

But last time it came from you, it was suspicions that I ran several accounts in the thread and thereby seriously damaged the thread.
And last time it happened, Joe Biden wasn’t even on the agenda – it was too early for that.

So my conclusion is that it is general criticism of me in various forms coming from you but I guess I will continue to respond to them.

Then in your post above you are factually wrong – Biden could have sent enormous support without Russia blocking it, that narrative is false.

Then you also push “escalation management” as a valid reason and if there is something that plays into Putin’s hands, it is precisely that argument.

The Palianytsa missile and that the US helped?
Do you have anything that supports that at all now that we are supposed to ask for sources?
I don’t.

By the way, you deliberately misinterpret my quote you pasted above, and if you had bothered to paste my reply to MXT under my post that day, it would have been quite clear, wouldn’t it (and you know that very well since you have read it) 😀

So you are deliberately trying to pin something on me here that you KNOW is false since you have read my reply to MXT. Not very honorable debating technique at all, mostly blackening from your side HMS Repulse and quite low.

As far as I know, I have not directed anything at you personally here before you showed up and wanted to cast suspicion on me so that is also dishonest to twist it to me starting something – I obviously prefer that you do not write about me/to me at all in your attempts to cast suspicion on me 😀

13:44

Sorry, I misinterpreted “escalation management” now that I read it again 👍

14:15

One is at least somewhat curious about the outcome of the Zelensky – Biden meeting here. Surely we should get both the entire weapons package down to the smallest violent phosphorus grenade and then a clear and straightforward message about pushing towards targets inside Russia?

I recall that the Kursk offensive was supposed to get approval too but so far everything is just rumors.

14:46

Actually, it’s not rumors RB05 but something Zalizhny himself said.

We also know from Zelensky that the US stopped them from – entering Russia in 2023, striking the oil in 2023, initially the refineries and targets in Russia.

We know from the US itself that the US stops all countries in the EU from letting Ukraine use these countries’ ammunition against targets in Russia.

We also know that the US stopped Denmark from sending the equipment they wanted, for example F-16s, when they wanted to.

What you call rumors is confirmed by the US, Denmark’s prime minister, and Ukrainian representatives.

So why should we wait until after the war to get better data, do you think?

Follow-up question – has the US’s actions above contributed to Ukraine’s attempts to win the war as fast as possible?

I find it remarkable that there are still people like you and HMS Repulse who can be so forgiving of the US’s actions in this war.

So much so that you insinuate that Ukraine is upset on the wrong grounds, which in itself is quite a strong statement.

Thanks for letting me respond 👍

15:26

I think it sounds more and more like you have quite a few opinions about how this forum should be moderated – isn’t it up to LW to point out when someone goes too far or kickban them, I thought?

You are massively misinterpreting something here about my post, so I’m pasting my reply to MXT for the whole forum to read. That way the forum can see how you keep trying to cast suspicion and don’t give up in your attempts to pin the harshest accusation possible – Trump supporter.

It’s sad on your part that you misinterpret and twist things with a purpose, but we can keep going like this if you want.
In my post below – this is EXACTLY what Zelensky is doing, right 😀

—
Johan No.1
2024-09-23 10:34 – 10:34
Now I understand how you read my post MXT and yes, I wrote it in a cloud of whisky but I don’t think it should have been misinterpreted – were you sniffing wood glue or something because it was pretty late?

What Zelensky is hoping for is therefore not that Trump should win but that Biden will understand that withholding support for Ukraine will negatively affect him in the election and thus be forced to act.

Considering what we have seen in statements, I think the above position is quite undramatic and I really don’t understand what all the backstabbing was needed for?
—

As far as I know, I haven’t called you anything until you started commenting on me in the third person in your own posts – if you feel that way, you’ve probably overestimated how often I have you in mind when reading your posts.
To be very clear – never, you can safely back off and don’t need to take it personally.

Now I take back what I said about “escalation management” thanks, I read a bit quickly and immediately admitted I was wrong so you don’t need to push that anymore – honest argumentation from my side.

Yes, we can post lots of quotes so here are some –

The CIA chief says the US should not be intimidated by Putin’s nuclear threats.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/07/cia-west-russia-nuclear-threats-putin

Quite heavy criticism from within Biden’s own ranks.
https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1826384981264056600?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

And Zelensky has also said this, proof to come during the day actually 😀
“Zelensky: ‘If Biden refuses the Victory Plan? Terrible thought. It would mean that Biden doesn’t want to end the war in any way that denies a Russian victory and it would lead to a very long war — an impossible, exhausting situation that would kill a huge number of people.’”

https://x.com/maks_nafo_fella/status/1837901157508809143?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

The discussion has now really taken off and at least I am waiting to see if Biden unreservedly approves Zelensky’s victory plan, sends missiles and lets Ukraine strike targets in Russia.

-then everything will be as it should be, right, and this discussion is obsolete because I won’t mention this anymore.

Today we know whether Joe Biden, as US president, unreservedly wants what’s best for Ukraine or not if we go by Zelensky’s statement above.

15:44

Kind of strange that nothing has leaked ahead of the Biden – Zelensky meeting, usually enough leaks come out so everyone has the picture clear before the press conference?

When is the meeting, have they stopped having 9 meetings over there?

This is actually one of the most important days in the whole war 😅

16:25

It would be welcome if you could read the discussions in the thread before you want to jump into the debate –

now you have been attacking me for a couple of days for nothing you just discovered, but apparently it’s my fault because you can’t be bothered to read the thread. Seems pretty hard for me to escape blame here.

Yes MXT got very hurt over that post 🤣 (you didn’t get hurt MXT, right 😲).

Can you stop trying to insinuate that I make everyone sad. Last time you tried to make it seem like I attacked Dengamle for example and now you want to champion MXT.
You are NOT a knight rescuing MXT from my evil abuses.

If anyone is engaging in personal attacks on people in the thread it’s you, this is the third time you’ve gone after me completely unprovoked and poorly hidden.

I thought I backed down on escalation management and have admitted fault three times – why are you trying to create a whole new attack vector from me on you with that, I have backed down and even written “sorry.”

I think that sounds like a good idea, have a nice evening and we’ll continue tomorrow 👍
Here it’s after 3 and I have a few hours left at work.

17:13

Yes absolutely, Putin has known about Zelensky’s meeting in New York for a long time and the plan was pretty obvious.
-Satan 2 test and broadcast the videos.
-New meeting where he looks important and the nuclear doctrine is adjusted so Joe Biden will get scared.

Now the first step failed when Satan 2 very embarrassingly exploded already in the silo but the meeting was held by Putin as planned anyway.

In levels of laughably embarrassing this is almost a record.

Yes, the next step is that all influence operators and media in the West start hyping the nuclear threat again – actually haven’t seen that yet?

17:27

Surely they must have a morning meeting?

Everyone knows no one can think in the afternoons and Biden is a bit old and Zelensky has jet lag.

The single most important day in the war and they’re having some damn long breakfast.

17:49

Yes Biden has given an update, three hours old 👍👍

https://x.com/potus/status/1839281287204413755?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

18:56

Zelensky in da house ✊

https://x.com/blyskavka_ua/status/1839344214968267035?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

18:57

Possibly the day of the war

19:02

*most important

19:35

Zelensky now with Biden

https://x.com/euromaidanpr/status/1839336323179745630?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

19:44

A walking election influence

https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1839306792469410244?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

19:47

Zelensky is as sly as a Ukrainian

https://x.com/blyskavka_ua/status/1839359697385861375?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

21:55

Vuhledar hell on earth

https://x.com/andysch64494719/status/1839390325997191496?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

22:15

Harris with the drawcard Zelensky

https://x.com/noelreports/status/1839396722335989968?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

22:21

And finally – Zelensky and Biden

https://x.com/noelreports/status/1839385082114797692?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

06:05

It’s five o’clock here and I’m up but before my morning coffee I’m looking for both confirmation that the peace plan is accepted and also details about the weapons package.

Anyone have them?

Seems like Zelensky is extending the visit by a day, was it hard to negotiate?

06:08

I maintain that Zelensky is an election influence on two legs, now Trump wants to meet him – should put pressure on Biden to deliver.

It went quickly for Trump to go from sneaky magpie to offering dinner – someone must have done an analysis of the UA question reasonably?

06:28

This is what Biden must take a stand on, his security service warns him that if he lets Zelensky place a Grom 2 in the Kremlin, Russia will increase the amount of subversive activity and sabotage to storm strength.

https://x.com/colbybadhwar/status/1839429191109865686?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

Do we want 300 dead marines right before the election?

06:59

Reasonably, Biden should make his statements about the peace plan and the support package before Zelensky meets Trump for dinner?
If nothing is said, it gives Trump the chance to say absolutely anything here?

He could just flip completely like he did with meeting Zelensky and approving the plan and becoming Ukraine’s biggest fanboy – nothing is sacred when it comes to Trump.

07:08

The meeting is at 09:00 in the morning 😳

07:45

This is starting to slip away now unfortunately 😐

https://x.com/maks_nafo_fella/status/1839408767034872251?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

07:51

Yermak about there being continued discussions. Aren’t those discussions held beforehand?

https://x.com/andriyyermak/status/1839527637414195599?s=46&t=Vah3JXV31B9lXwZOK5gF7w

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