FINALLY WE DID EVERYTHING QUIETLY. About the success of VIVALDI, work behind enemy lines — SCOUT “OLADUSHEK”

Speaker 1

Vivaldi is a cooler operation. Finally, finally, what I like is that it's being done quietly.

Speaker 2

Alabyshok, I hope that you will remember that I carried him out for

Speaker 3

you. The infantry in the third corps and those who did Vivaldis – this is the look of shnureksa.

Speaker 1

I have some boosted ones who are really loving it in the war right now.

Speaker 4

Yes, there are no more of your many living ones. Now think very carefully, is there anyone there?

Speaker 1

And an idea came to me, I think we need to play a game with him. Commander, I remember, on my phone I sent a screenshot with coordinates to a woman where we trained. And that's how they finished off the platoon in four days. This was Only Wars.

Speaker 4

and we went further.

Speaker 3

Alabyshok, hello. I am very glad to see you. Nazar. We saw each other three years ago at our previous interview. A lot of things have changed.

Speaker 4

Uh-huh.

Speaker 3

And I will start with the fact that our community, the community on the line of fire, asked me to do an interview with you and talk both about Vivaldi and, in principle, about your community, Only Wars, and about your combat path. So let's start with Vivaldi. There is already a lot of known information about how specifically the lies of the Russians played into your hands. You, as a scout, where did it all begin for you in Vivaldi?

Speaker 1

For me, it began in Vivaldi from the moment we joined the area of responsibility of the 60th Brigade. And that was exactly the moment when Cambrix was changing there. And while Mr. Rogas was getting up to speed, we were already starting to work specifically in his sector, in order to pass him the most current information. When we entered there, we noticed that there was absolutely none of what the previous authority in that brigade had said. Because it couldn't even be called a command; rather, people had established their own authority, from what we remember. So while Dmytro Roz was figuring things out, we began to work. And it was clear that not only was the enemy lying, but there was some lying on our side too. Because the sector that the enemy had and the sector that we had turned out to be such that they were in each other's rear. We were in their rear, and they were in ours.

And then the idea came to involve all the intelligence organs in that direction. We worked together with Artan, and with the SSO, and with Dozor, because a lot of people came. And that's how our work began. We created a joint club there, "Intelligence Lovers," and worked specifically on infiltrating enemies, so as not to burden the line units with this work in the rear. Because their task is to establish their line and advance further, as we all see now. So we worked specifically on these infiltrating enemies. There were many interesting tasks. Exactly the kind of intelligence it should be—that we don't just go storming a grove, but work intelligently, quietly, precisely, how they filmed with a kalpel. And there were many enemies destroyed; their tactic was simply infiltration. Enter as deep into the rear as possible, sit, and then, if anything, transmit what is moving in that direction, or just at the moment emerge under a drone with their three-colored rag, get filmed, and that's it. This, by the way, is also a very cool lifehack for help from the "worker" to us. Because more than once they post a video around 9 AM where they unfurl a flag, and by about 2 PM we are leading that flag-bearer to us as a prisoner. This happened more than once, both in Lemman and in that same Yarava.

And we worked on everything. We began our work specifically from Drobyshev; we were working specifically in the 60ths, there is such a small forest there, and about ten enemies ran in there, and they are just sitting there, they are bothering them. They report that they are shooting at logistics somewhere and creating this chaos, which makes all the work very difficult for the mechanized battalion commander. He cannot build his front line because it's unclear what's happening in his rear. And the first task—a group of ours drove in, and we then killed two Russians because they didn't want to surrender. We took the first two prisoner, and then they helped take all the others, and also entered a basement and brought out six prisoners for us. They entered, said, "Special forces are on the street, you won't get out now, throw out your MTM." And that's it, the guys came out, surrendered, saying, "No, we don't understand where we are, what we are doing here, we were sent here half wounded."

Speaker 3

But actually, there were no special forces? No,

Speaker 1

Well, and

Speaker 3

what,

Speaker 1

What, are we not special forces?

Speaker 3

Oh, excuse me.

Speaker 1

No, the guys were waiting outside the house, well, like that, it's just that you can't just send them. We were waiting for a response, and that's it, we left. The TMK was also lying there, they were waiting. Meaning, we didn't lie. It's just that going into the basement, taking them, risking people. Now is not the time to risk people like that. It's easier just to drop off the TMK.

Speaker 3

And you accumulated prisoners who said that we are already there, like in Svyato-Horsk, so, does our command think so?

Speaker 1

No, no, those were, so to speak, the first reports. Their task was to enter there. That's into Drobyshave, to cut off the estuary. In principle, if Drobyshave is taken, we understand that the estuary won't last long, because there is no land access. And that was a big problem. But since we pushed the enemy back from there, we cleared them, and the 60th, specifically the "Judo" battalion, you know, the 60th has such a battalion commander. He is also from the 1st Assault Battalion, we worked with him. Striyki. Yes, yes, yes, Striyki. He was a company commander in the first assault. That's from where Yaypalshchyna is, basically. And yes, we coordinated, and they basically went forward. We cleared this little forest, we cleaned our half, Artan cleared his half, and that's how we worked together and cleared their rear. And then we had another small forest, also called dolphin-rusiki. Where also? A huge forest, obviously, in which there are many shelters. And they just ran in there, hid, and so they entered and are sitting there, that's it. And our task, and there's a good forest there, you have to use it yourself. Well and that's it, and we cleared it. Because in a week, together with sosovoyu Artan, we cleared such a huge forest from the faggots. And there we saw the place of the Russians' losses, because the guys go, clear, and in the moment they come out in the little forest and see how four bodies are lying there and every single one of the Russians has a hole in the head.

Speaker 4

Wow.

Speaker 1

Like that, yeah. Because we were there, running in the woods there, a very ideologically driven Rusachok. He was just really, really ideologically driven. We found him there, his body, then his vampirists took him away at night and killed, and we went to check. And, yes, in his phone there is a video where he's walking around there, looting the position. Just a truly ideologically driven Rusak who likes to fight.

Speaker 3

But now such people are a minority, it seems to me.

Speaker 1

Of course not many, but, well, there are, of course, but a minority, because we can see what kind of army they have.

Speaker 2

The documents are here, documents. They are. Of course they are. Please, I am gathering them for you.

Speaker 4

How many more people? How many people? How many people? Hot. Where? This is hot, hot. I don't know here.

Speaker 1

no.

Speaker 4

Where, you know,

Speaker 1

One, two.

Speaker 4

Look, not many of yours are alive anymore. Now think very carefully, is there anyone there? Yes or no? He is 200. Who is 200?

Speaker 1

Well, it's lying there

Speaker 4

200. Need

Speaker 1

to be,

Speaker 4

yes, 200, because I called him,

Speaker 1

Well, they don't value people at all, nor anything else, of course. We've just encountered prisoners who also say, I wanted to fight and I really like this business. But I ended up in this army and I realize that you can't fight like this. Well, they just send them, one person, they need to cover 15, and, we took a prisoner, they walked 56 kilometers. To just walk 56 kilometers like that, they walk for a week. And they are supposed to enter, like, our rear, to somehow capture it. Of course, such a thing doesn't work. Well, if there is a scout.

Speaker 3

And how did they know that there were three ikanu, they say,

Speaker 1

They don't know anything? They don't understand, they mostly come in and say they have a point on their phone. And they go to this point and that's it. That's it, that's their task. And when we already switched to the air one, what, shall we tell this story now?

Speaker 3

No, not now. You mentioned Dmytro Rohazyuk; recently he became the commander of the Third Army Corps. Some were surprised, for some it was an expected, expected appointment. For you, personally, is Rohaz an authority?

Speaker 1

Yes, Dmytro Rohaz is a respected figure, and it's not just that he earned it in my eyes. Because I simply sat in the same foxhole with him in Bakhmut. Based on how well I know this man. But I saw how he was the deputy battalion commander in the First Assault. I saw that work. And I saw how the 60th, what it has become now, really came from being a disaster of a brigade. Just a shambles, a disaster, which was straight-up problematic. An elite brigade, which is now overfilled, it seems, and they are attacking, and attacking very successfully. Because what is there to talk about here? Authority is proven not in words, but in deeds.

Speaker 3

Did you get a man? This is not

Speaker 1

just a man, a complete gentleman.

Speaker 3

Full Cavalier. This is

Speaker 1

my third one was already a boy. And

Speaker 3

stay, what are the first two for?

Speaker 1

My first one was in Bakhmut. We had this situation there, when we met at the bottom of the positions with Dmytro Rohez.

Speaker 5

It's happening again

Speaker 1

three more for me

Speaker 5

remained. She went. Stretch, arch.

Speaker 1

I need to choose positions under it now. And I will go out there. From the sunflowers, and I will be…

Speaker 5

Allah, like a color.

Speaker 1

At first, we had a crossing there, flooded in Bakhmut. And it was necessary to move from one bank to the other from a minimal backup. So I enter the shelters, it's the beginning of winter, I arrive at the KSP, thought I'd go to sleep. But they tell me that I need to go and help the guys at the water pumping stations. And I throw warmers into my boots. And so I keep going with wet feet. And we spent the night there. In the morning, I come out of there again and say, maybe now I just need to sleep, because I was up all night. And I remember that I wrapped myself up like this in a small sleeping bag. I hear Rola running, shouting, looking for people to enter the position with, because we already had problems with the infantry at that moment. And I was lying there, thinking, alright. I hear him walk past, I think, yeah, well, basically, no one will say a word to me if I fall asleep here now and just sleep. Because I, how should I put it, but something inside didn't allow me to just stay like that. I got up and said, yeah, I'm going too, where are we going. And that's when we drove to Dmytro Rohazya right at the water pumping station, fought it back there. And there, due to the combination of all these nuances, I got my first medal.

Speaker 5

Henze's works.

Speaker 6

Yes, fuck…

Speaker 5

Are you engaging Browning?

Speaker 6

Yes.

Speaker 5

Still saving ammo.

Speaker 6

Just conserve your ammunition.

Speaker 5

Grivno? Verification positions, whoever sees about the manager, can now show that I will shoot. They are saving. No, and with strot spots there.

Speaker 1

The second order—we entered at the very end of Bakhmut itself, we worked against pider groups. They shot at us quite a bit there. And over time, I received a second order.

Speaker 5

Did Semka leave?

Speaker 4

Over there!

Speaker 1

I was appointed as a company commander, and I'm thinking to myself, that's it, looks like I… During this campaign, during this war, I definitely won't be able to get married, because how can I get married as a company commander?

Speaker 3

Already need to get it from Bohdan.

Speaker 1

Already, yes, already in Bogdan. And there was something inside, as if it were unfinished. Well, I'm like, okay, I think. Later, maybe, when this campaign ends, the next one will begin, there, and I'll be running in the field, I'll get it somewhere. Don't bother anymore. And then a situation arises. It's Vivaldi, Yarova. And my Cossacks take a prisoner. The first two prisoners. One was a banal Russian, a standard prisoner, who… well, those faggots sent me to die. I don't want to fight, because I'll never do it again. But when is the exchange? Just like that. That was his question, the question during the first dialogue with me. I realized that you can't get anywhere with this person. There's no point even bothering your head. But the second one was different. He got a bit involved in the processes.

Speaker 3

But also a Russian.

Speaker 1

Yes, of course. He was angrier at those people because he told me. They were brought from a training center here to the district. They were kept for a week. They were taught how to do an alpine quest. And, he says, during this week they squeezed all the money out of us. Completely, he says, we had to chip in for motorcycles, for drones. He says we chipped in 70 thousand each for supplies. He says, the last time my wife already borrowed money. I chipped in and said that's it, there is no more money. I will not chip in anymore. The next day they came in and said, pack up, you're heading out tomorrow.

Speaker 4

That's all.

Speaker 1

Well, I understand that the battalion commanders have a great scheme there. Just for money laundering. A group came to him, he squeezed all the money out of them, he sent them to their deaths, wrote them off quickly, and got new ones. That's how you can fight in Russia, of course. And that's it. And they said that they just need to enter Sviatohirsk and take a photo with a rag, that it's over, they took Sviatohirsk, because that's how they report there, that Sviatohirsk has already been taken.

Speaker 3

And he himself didn't know that Svyato-Hirsk

Speaker 1

Did they get wiped out? No, no, no. They just walked and they say, they walked, calmly. They say, yes, Baba Yaga was buzzing around there. They say, well, they walked normally. They arrived. I started telling him more or less, I say, I explained the situation to you. Why are they sending them there? That they are just being sent to the slaughter so that, like, some officer somewhere gets a commendation for the fact that you advanced. He doesn't care how many of you he kills. And it seems the realization of this hit him. So he, moreover, one such morning of departure says, commander, I remember, on my phone, I sent my wife a screenshot with coordinates of where we trained, I can orient myself here and show where our camp is.

Speaker 4

Oh,

Speaker 1

Well done. He points it out, we drop [the coordinates], we sent a wing there the next day, looked and found a whole little town, a dugout one in a small forest. Nice little tents, little dugouts, everything is large. He doesn't know the further fate there; this is where the missile forces should work. But that is how he provided the information.

Speaker 4

And that's how they tore it down

Speaker 1

platoon in 4 days. And then in that moment I'm thinking, well that's it, like, they won't send anyone else here, they have one group there under the rubble. I think, so to speak, that's it, they didn't pull everything they could out of this situation.

Speaker 3

When you already found out that it was in Vivaldi, because you said that you were just doing your job, debugging, cleaning up, and so on. Only then did they give it some name there, and so on. When you realized how large-scale it all was, did you personally believe in it?

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

And

Speaker 1

It turns out that I now rarely listen to the actual final plan. I look at how it's going. I simply saw every day how it was going. And I certainly believed. I realized that the enemy is driving itself even further into this pit, because he claims then that everything is fine with him, that he has an offensive going on there, they are attacking, and everything is good for them. And, of course, because of this, they aren't given proper reserves, they aren't allowed to bring up troops. And that's how we smashed them. Vivaldi is a cooler operation. And finally, finally, what I like is that this is being done quietly. Not like the Zaporizhzhia counter-offensive, but they did it quietly and that's it. And then they give a report based on the result. That's how it should be. Because these media games don't bring anything good in war.

Speaker 3

Yes, that's true. Now, pay attention. It's a question of a strategic level, of course, but just your opinion. Is it possible to carry out similar operations—well, advance further—somewhere in other directions? Or is it extremely exhausting for people? Can you make a dash, then rest? Or what? Is this at the level of a company or a battalion?

Speaker 1

Well, if we are talking about the company level, then it's clear that if there is one group there that they hope to use to take a clean large piece, no, it doesn't work like that. For such offensives, a whole corps works on it. And everyone pulls for each other, helps. And in such conditions, it is possible. It became real when this "system of three" spread to the brigades of the corps. Specifically, this system of command links of the highest levels began to descend from the top, and that is the essence of the "three" in the unit. And then, yes, it is actually possible. I honestly felt a surge of motivation myself when I saw how much the corps, like, is growing. Because it's clear to me, the "three" exists; I saw how it was in other brigades, sometimes how sad everything is. And I don't want to name them, just to avoid causing issues, but sometimes, well, the same nuances, these paid leaves, like, when people pay for first aid kits, to get out of their position. I hear all this, and of course, in my head I understood that, well, yes, we are fighting here, but there are no chances to change anything on such a large scale.

Speaker 3

But when… Do they pay money to exit a position?

Speaker 1

Well, yes, yes.

Speaker 3

How much does this cost?

Speaker 1

Well, this, as far as I understand, well, it wasn't with us…

Speaker 3

I

Speaker 1

I understand, but I don't hear it. Well, I remember, so it was something there… And it was being spread there, and in a big way, that, like, you pay 20 thousand and then you can leave the position. Dollars. Hryvnias, like hryvnias. The salary comes, and that's it, and they pull that from the soldiers. And just from this there is, what, sometimes. Such a moment. Or, like when we take people for training, and people don't know what a poncho is, well, an ordinary infantryman doesn't know what a poncho is. This is the absolute basic. Shovels and ponchos. This is what… Look, an infantryman needs it to survive. Right. This is what needs to be started. Then comes medicine and everything like that. Shooting. But… and they don't even know that. For some reason… Well, I see that in many brigades there is a cult of the brigade commander, maybe the battalion commander, this officer who manages everything himself. It shouldn't be like that. A system must be built. There is a sergeant branch, which should… make a very large, significant contribution to the development of the unit in general, because all this training, this is where the sergeant branch must work. And not so that a sergeant is just some cool guy from the crowd. There should be a ton of work for a sergeant. And he really works, he really develops, he knows something new that he passes on in this unit. He should communicate with other units to exchange experience. And not just some guy who is close to the commander and transmits some of the commander's words to the unit. It shouldn't be like that.

Speaker 3

I want to debunk another myth, which perhaps still exists in society, that the infantry in Trijka, there, in the Third Corps, and those who became disabled, those who were on the front lines, are exclusively reksy. These are, you know, people like you: charged, tactical, but in reality, commanders of both battalions and brigades told us that these are, well, ordinary men. Yesterday's, maybe not yesterday's, they went through training, but they are simple guys. And they can endure months without normal conditions. And it was they who did this work. Clearly, there is huge support from everyone, the whole organism. But they showed us these ordinary infantrymen there—I don't know, I have fellow villagers like that, for example.

Speaker 1

Yes, yes, yes, that's how it is. So I, basically, believe that Ukraine is still holding on thanks to such men. That's just it. Not even those, like, as you call them, Rexes, like us, because we are isolated cases, we are in an isolated situation, it's not us who are sitting, like, on this front line, that's the hardest work. And, yes, there are ordinary men there. Just, well, this Ukrainian Cossack blood, it's in a person, you just don't need to help uncover it. I also have intelligence Rexes, Rexes for mediation, I have boosted ones who are really enjoying themselves at war now, because we created the languages for this for them. So that they had it, so that they really, well, found themselves. I have our "airplane," we're really proud of him, because the person also… He was just from a village, of course, lived his life, drank a bit, the drunk setups caught him in a bus, put him in, took him away, he ended up in training, and there, during selection, he ended up with me. But in a month, like that, in physical training we see that he shows some of the best results, like, he switches it on, it's in him, yes, there was some communication at first, because he's, like, not from our world, and there is this contrast of generations, like, the difference. But he got into it, and that's it, he, "rake," he went on a mission, killed several pivs there, took weapons as trophies, and he felt it all himself, and he even approached his platoon commander, Belik, and said, thank you, men, I finally understood what I live for, basically.

Speaker 3

Cool.

Speaker 1

Just like that. Meaning we gave a person, like this, a second life, like, in the middle of his, and now he feels everything, and, yes, he is currently recovering after a wound, but he is also that same busified one; on the first day of the wound, he called us and said, take me out of here, I'll heal quickly, I want to go back to working, I don't want to lie in hospitals. That's what we're talking about. Therefore, even from these busified ones, you can make reactions, you just need to create these conditions. Of course, if you take a busified one and send him immediately to fight, nothing will come of it. He needs to be trained. He needs to be helped while he's there, not just be ignored. He must have everything. And then he will fight.

Speaker 3

But this is development, no more time is needed.

Speaker 1

For us, it's necessary. It works differently for us; it takes a bit, yes, more time for preparation, I understand, but that's how we win, since we aren't sitting 24/7, like, in positions, I told my people that all other free days were simply for preparation. It would be shameful if we used our free days just to chill, it would just be shameful before those same infantrymen who are sitting there on the zero line and that's it. Therefore, we must be specialists and spend all our free time on preparation.

Speaker 3

Three years ago, you and I also spoke about reconnaissance and about how drones stole all the romance from us and how less and less work was needed, meaning, no, such physical work during days of reconnaissance. Now there are even more drones, even more technologies. How has your thinking about this changed? Even more work for the ground-pounders?

Speaker 1

Even more work for the scouts. Understand? The athlete played into our hands with his infiltration tactics. He really gave work to the reconnaissance, to the intelligence agencies, to the special units for this targeted work somewhere in their rear. Because, obviously, when storming on the zero line, whether one is highly trained or not, they have equal chances of survival. You can't train a person for half a year and then just have them hit by artillery. Value appears, this knowledge. But groups can work individually, making decisions on the battlefield themselves when communication is lost. We know that the sergeants there on the spot directly manage the worst of the offensive. When I work with a group, I don't tell them what to do. I define the sector where they work, and the sergeants on the spot fully figure out how they will do it and approach. That's how we work. I'm not, like, a mommy or a nanny to them, to do the EW for them. In general, I hear that in some brigades it comes to the point where they put a camera on a soldier's helmet, and the commander tells him exactly where to enter, left, right. Well, yes, it's very technological, but as far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't be like that. The system should work, and everyone should do their job. And then everything works.

Speaker 3

I also want to recall our lovely conversation. And then you even said it yourself, that you were so tough, so bold, kill everyone, shoot everyone, kill them all.

Speaker 1

Over time, the fear of death generally passes, because, well, it is always so close. Almost every time you go out, you walk and you think, well, anything could fly in, and that's it, and it's over. And there is no point in fearing it. Everyone will die someday. We are born to die in the end.

Speaker 3

And now you just told me that you've slightly changed your mind, your attitude, perhaps, towards death, towards this bravado. Why? What happened? And how do you now [view] this

Speaker 1

You see? Responsibility for people appeared, probably. I explain it that way anyway. And I remember what it's like when you take people, and in an instant they are gone, they don't run, they die, wounds—what a huge problem it is to start over again. And somehow back then I had this suicide cult, back then it didn't matter. Training, like what I have now in my company, I didn't have that. We were more on the AGG-shchyna, whatever happens, happens. And that's it. And there was simply no fear, a suicide cult. And back then it was about dying for Ukraine. But over time, the realization came to me that we are already preparing, there is training, there is supply, there is an understanding of this war. Why just die? No, we will kill for Ukraine. And minimize losses as much as possible. Well, I have a good, so to speak—I don't like to use the word "statistics"—but they exist. Like, before this, I had one 200 per year. Right in active combat. I had up to 18 firefights a month there. And one 200 per year. In a year? In the company, yes, per company. Well, in this company, unfortunately, two happened.

Speaker 3

This is during

Speaker 1

Vivaltsi? Well, no. One died in Lyman. In the village battle, Pak. And one Fenrir in the Slovyansk direction, on this taxi. There, during the approach, a v-pivvishka hit people right in the back. And a bit. Unfortunately, one died.

Speaker 3

How do you like being a company commander now?

Speaker 1

Now it's good. I've set up the workflow. I've put together a team that we work with. Managing a company is a team effort; it's not just me alone. It's a whole team. Everyone is involved in their own process. And now it's quite easy. It comes easily to me. Because everything is set up. I understand it all. I've been a company commander for quite some time now. And, as I say, there are no problems.

Speaker 3

It's been exactly a year, right? Or more?

Speaker 1

There is more. I became a company commander specifically in Avdiivka. And, well, we entered the Kharkiv region, and here it was already companies. Because in Avdiivka we were still a platoon. And when we entered the Kharkiv directions, it was already the second year, I think. This is all passing.

Speaker 3

Let's talk now about your community.

Speaker 4

We fucked them, fuck. Fucking bastards, they tried to kill us. They took it in the mouth, but didn't kill anyone. Phew! Tu-tu-tu, God forbid. The result of our work. Seven prisoners and four two-hundreds.

Speaker 4

And this was Only Wars and we will ride further.

Speaker 3

Only Wars, can it be said that this is solely yours, or were you somehow the organizer of all this?

Speaker 1

I'm not saying at all that there's anything there, just mine, like. Because we do all this as a gang, and so our gangs are a community.

Speaker 3

Is there any rough count yet of how many people, how many like-minded people you have?

Speaker 1

Let's talk about followers. No, well generally, I can't give a specific number, because at first we were just communities, now Only Wars is already like a combat unit, which has its own, so to speak, media side, and plus a community of counter-culture, this military style and the intelligentsia specifically. That a soldier is not the intelligentsia, but rather the elitism of the military. A soldier is not an elite. We show how soldiers look, this good style, how we behave, we promote this honor. For us, we cannot just walk around in uniform and carouse, because in doing so, we disgrace our own work. But we promote the idea that—what is the problem in Ukraine? We were destroyed for a long time, basically. The army was spoiled for us; this was pushed by our neighbors. And basically, the military culture of the soldier became very degraded. In our case, only those who didn't get into [college] elsewhere were sent to the army, and that was it. This, by the way, is a huge problem, because over those years, these officers accumulated who had nowhere else to go and went into the army. And now they have risen from the bottom to various generals, and we see all these problems in the army. Therefore, unfortunately, that's how it is. And now we are trying to [ensure] that the most elite occupation in Ukraine is being a soldier.

Speaker 3

What are the community values?

Speaker 1

Values? Nationalist ones. We promote, yes, we preach those same ideas from our corps. But we are specifically within the military community, so that not only the regulars see us, but somehow align with us. We work across all armed forces, conducting courses for reconnaissance groups to share experience. And people reach out, and it's actually working for now. We are developing it. To spread this perception of military culture, this correct military mindset. Since we will be fighting for a long time, the country will be militarized for a very long time, and this is necessary. But, unfortunately, many do not understand. I will explain this to you someday. Our task is to make being a soldier fashionable. So that it is always fashionable. Not just like in the early stages of the war, but so that it is always fashionable. And from what I see, how the youth are drawn to us, we are doing well with this.

Speaker 3

I think there was such a wave, probably after the ATO, a few years after the ATO, they started to understand a bit that the army is a style, but some units started to understand that media presence is necessary, important. I remember the marines played it well then, around 17-18. Then, until the year 22, it all somehow faded away, completely vanished, as they say. And now this wave is rising. Well, at least I don't want it to be that way.

Speaker 1

100% is rising. We see it, all these groups, rap bands, military ones, also Nordivision, Silver Squad. Silver Squad is actually from our battalion.

Speaker 3

But look, there is another side to the coin. There are still people who act as if the war absolutely does not concern them. There are even… I am surprised even by the military personnel who put TCC numbers on their vehicles. To me, this is a bit strange, because we are supposedly about the same thing, in the same boat or not. I understand they put them on so their cars aren't spotted. But still, they distance themselves from this. But it is the TCCs that bring them people, at the very least. And we talked today about those who were "busified," that one can also work with those who were "busified." And yesterday, I think, at the press conference, Andriy Yevhenovych said that so far he does not see another way of mobilization, well, meaning, there is none. It has to continue like this. Well, perhaps not through some of the specific methods that exist. There are some disgusting cases. But "busification" is what it is right now. What do you think about this in general? Or… how can it be changed to be a bit more humane? Or perhaps, on the contrary, mobilization needs to be carried out even more strictly. Where to get people, how to get them?

Speaker 1

Well, from what I've seen. Well, of course, such direct busification is not the best option. Like, everyone is complaining about human rights. Well, first of all, war is not a place for human rights at all. Like, let's…

Speaker 4

So, let's begin.

Speaker 1

Unfortunately, those are the realities. This is slightly different. And for people to want it themselves, that is a huge amount of work. This is, well, our government did too little work to make people want to protect their state. Well, of course, when the government does what—we see many things. Plus, the promoting of this… This is for

Speaker 2

corruption?

Speaker 1

But there's plenty of everything there. Corruption, first and foremost. Plus, this is all prompted by the enemy's IPSO bots, to hype it up more, to make it into an even bigger, huge problem. And of course, people don't want to. Our government doesn't know how to counteract this. And therefore—but one must fight. That's the nuance. Like, it's not that we are fighting for oil or for gas rigs. We are fighting for our land, for our existence. Therefore, if people don't get that… and they can't explain it, then, unfortunately, they will be bosteficated.

Speaker 3

And, finally, I want to talk about that. I see you are quite, well, cheerful, you are so positive, developing the community, developing the unit, already a full cavalier and married. And you see your future in that. You've said many times in interviews that the army is an opportunity to prove yourself, and somehow to prove yourself not in the army. Well, not verbatim, but you said it. And how are you still holding on like that? How do you…

Speaker 1

Everything is fine with me, my unit is combat-ready, the people like it. That is, I see that we are indeed doing the right thing. And that's it. And it, in principle, motivates me. Meaning, I don't need any extra motivation added. I and

Speaker 4

yes

Speaker 1

I understand why we're here. And, well, just to complain about life. Like, why the fuck? Why live, constantly struggling for something. Something is wrong. Maybe some people like it that way. I love enjoying life. And I rejoice in what I basically have. And I have quite a bit.

Speaker 3

Is this how your parents raised you and your brother? Or is it self-upbringing? Patriotism, nationalism?

Speaker 1

No, I probably wouldn't say that my parents directly instilled nationalism in me. Rather, it was the street itself that more so instilled nationalism in me. This was back in the times of the Civil Corps, and then the National Corps, the century. This is from those educated lines. That's where I got this understanding that there's no point in just living for yourself. You'll die and that's it, nothing will be left after you. But when you live and live to build something great, within something great, then the meaning of life, in my opinion, becomes more important. And it's more interesting to live. Therefore, we are doing some great deed. We do it because I talked to another bot. By the way, this second bot has a very large contribution to my… and also the scout part, because he's the one who once dragged me into intelligence. Back in the times of Zaporizhzhia, at the start of the war, he dragged me there. And from that moment, I began to develop. And likewise, he comes up to me once and says something like, "Are you just fighting? Do you deal with the youth?" And I'm like, "Actually, why not? Why aren't we dealing with young people?" And that's it. And I started doing it. And I see for myself that if I, for example, during my life pass on this love for Ukraine and the desire—not so much that you simply develop for the sake of Ukraine. No, you develop yourself. But it's all for a great, great idea. You develop not just for yourself, but in order to help the state. You thus develop those same small and medium businesses when they are being built. We all understand that they are for something great, like, for the state. And so, if I pass on this desire of mine, my idea, my love for the state to at least a hundred young men, and they will be. I have fulfilled my plan in this life. One can move on. Because what motivates me very strongly? UPA veterans said that they fought in the underground not for some government positions. They fought so that the existence of Ukraine would not disappear. They went, fought their way through history, went through very difficult times, but now we see nationalists. The largest corps in Ukraine.

Speaker 3

And is personal life important now or not?

Speaker 1

No. Not for me, for some, of course. I just also, I don't have a family, children. I, of course, see it in my own way; for me, like, my life is my unit, and I am developing in it and it's like my child, and we are developing there, and that's it, and so probably, probably, I can't call it personal, because for me my personal life is my unit, so it's unclear here how I would say it. Well, now, yes, the time for personal [life] is not the time. Yes, well, even you yourselves, here you see, that same Barber will come to us there, we opened here,

Speaker 4

and this too, we aren't just earning money for ourselves,

Speaker 1

I want to create my own kind of financial fund, so that when a person is discharged from my [service], for reasons like injuries, health, age, then I would have [something] to, so to speak, give them, so that they could start their own business, and they would already be occupied with something, like, in civilian life, so that they wouldn't just wander around or be searching, but created [it] for themselves, and thus be helped in such a way, and that's how it's built; they say it's a strong mafia, but not

Speaker 3

Mafia. Nation.

Speaker 1

Exactly.

Speaker 3

Thank you, thank you. The next interview will be with three Bohdans.

Speaker 1

Yes, it's already time.

Speaker 3

Just like that

Speaker 4

Fucking awful weather, damn. But otherwise, the talk is on, and he's tripping.

Speaker 2

Alabyshok, I hope that you will remember that I took it out for you.

Speaker 4

He was carrying it out because I took it out for you.